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CET
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject:

Moloth wrote:

CET wrote:

kmisho wrote:

I'll break this down into little tiny bits and even digest it for you so it doesn't take any work:

kmisho wrote:
State laws are the same as national laws if the state is the largest division. The state would then BE the nation.

Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Yes, and?

And...having a preference of state law over national law or vice versa, or national over UN law or vice versa is like prefering the pink cotton candy to the blue cotton candy. The difference is cosmetic. There is no substance in the preference. And if there's one thing I can't stand it is insubstantial preferences, especially when they are argued for so vehemently.

The pink cotton candy is a whole lot better than the blue cotton candy and you're a moron if you think any differently!

If state law sucks, you can move to a different state. If "planetary law" sucks, you can't move to a different planet.

but, you CAN move to another country/nation which is the biggest division we're realistically able to talk about, though.

your point is probably why "One World Government" conspiracy people are the way they are...

Yes, you can move from country to country, but it is such a HUGE pain in the ass that most people can't do. Many countries don't allow any immigration, and some don't allow any emigration. By contrast, moving from state to state, or city to city is super-easy. The worst thing you have to deal with is getting a new state license, license plate, and out of state tuition.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:

kmisho wrote:

I'll break this down into little tiny bits

Because we all know that's the only way you can handle anything.

kmisho wrote:

State laws are the same as national laws if the state is the largest division. The state would then BE the nation.

Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:

Yes, and?

kmisho wrote:

And...having a preference of state law over national law or vice versa, or national over UN law or vice versa is like prefering the pink cotton candy to the blue cotton candy.

So what you're saying is that you love invalid analogies and refuse to address the point. That figures.

Well, you might try repsonding in a way that doesn't make you look you're incapable of reading between the lines.

But I honestly don't know why you got into this since you want all the governments to go away, right?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject:

CET wrote:

Moloth wrote:

CET wrote:

kmisho wrote:

If state law sucks, you can move to a different state. If "planetary law" sucks, you can't move to a different planet.

yeah and THATS the rub... nations can do that... but individual states can't.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject:

kmisho wrote:

State laws are the same as national laws if the state is the largest division. The state would then BE the nation.

Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:

Yes, and?

kmisho wrote:

And...having a preference of state law over national law or vice versa, or national over UN law or vice versa is like prefering the pink cotton candy to the blue cotton candy.

Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:

So what you're saying is that you love invalid analogies and refuse to address the point. That figures.

kmisho wrote:

Well, you might try repsonding in a way that doesn't make you look you're incapable of reading between the lines.

Well, you might try actually addressing the point. I mean: what's the fucking point of responding if you're not going to address the fucking point.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject:

Moloth wrote:

CET wrote:

kmisho wrote:

If state law sucks, you can move to a different state. If "planetary law" sucks, you can't move to a different planet.

One world government could work, but as I said somewhere else it would depend entirely on the quality of the people running it.

Same is true of democracy. The more informed and circumspect the electorate is, the better it can work.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject:

kmisho wrote:

Not that i disagree at all, but that is true for ANY and EVERY government, right?

hell, Monarchy could work, with that qualifier... Smile

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject:

kmisho wrote:

If you have such a big problem with the way Knight argues, why haven't you replied to other people making the same point?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject:

You're just being rhetorical, Ivan. _________________ aa #51, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:17 am Post subject:

Moloth wrote:

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yeah and THATS the rub... nations can do that... but individual states can't.

No, that's not the rub, that's just a minority of countries in the world.
The rub is what the majority does, by the time you meet the conditions for them letting you live and work on their territory, you probably have no reason to move in the first place.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:44 am Post subject:

Ivan_Ivanov wrote:

Moloth wrote:

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yeah and THATS the rub... nations can do that... but individual states can't.

well, thats still a choice, though.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:23 am Post subject:

Moloth wrote:

well, thats still a choice, though.

Well, the East Germans had a choice too, they could dig a tunnel under the Berlin Wall, indeed many of them did.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:25 am Post subject:

Ivan_Ivanov wrote:

Moloth wrote:

well, thats still a choice, though.

Well, the East Germans had a choice too, they could dig a tunnel under the Berlin Wall, indeed many of them did.

hee hee... i wondered how long it would take before this thread got Godwinned...
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:26 am Post subject:

I thought Godwin was only about the nazis? _________________ It is as though your species' brain is too small to hold a simple thought such as, WE WILL KILL YOU FOR DISOBEYING! This is not a complex idea.

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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:27 am Post subject:

yeeeeah... the Berlin thing was kinda of a stretch, huh? i guess thats more of a Russian/Communist thing. i pronounce this thread UN-Godwinned. _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=- www.Moloth.com Last edited by Moloth on Tue Feb 30, 2026 13:61 am; edited 426 times in total

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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:48 am Post subject:

Ivan_Ivanov wrote:

I thought Godwin was only about the nazis?

Nazis/Hitler personally
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