Ron Paul for President

JCMac · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Ron Paul for President

We all hate spam. I myself despise spam with the sharpest deepest level possible I could for such drivel as spam. Of course, not the food, but the advertisement kind.

But recently, I got into thinking. Spamming really isn't that bad, if it is for something important, and if it is really worth it. Spam not only should concern the spammers, who make a buck out of it, but it should also concern us and benefit us, especially if the future of our country is at stake here.

No presidential candidate really convinced me why should they be given the highest office in the land, why should they be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, why they should be given such huge power and responsibility, until Ron Paul. And nothing is really as much worth spamming as "Ron Paul for President" (well at least, mostly nothing else) To think that such a person would convince me to forego of my vile hatred of spam, if only temporarily, is an incredible feat indeed. And he wasn't even trying. All he did was to stick to his principles, good principles. A true republican, just like the Republican party used to be before it turned into this monster where Georgezilla reigns.

Watch this, and I hope he convinces you as much as he does me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8

A single video may not easily sway your mind. I suggest you learn more about this guy. Research about him. Know his record. He's an extraordinary man.
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bethg · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject:

What do you think of his stance on things like gay rights and reproductive rights? What about his views on separation of church and state?

JCMac · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject:

He's libertarian, pro-life, and a true conservative.

As a true Republican and true conservative, he's for the separation of church and state.

If you want to know more about him:
Ron Paul 2008 site
Wiki article
Congress site
RonPaul.org

The other candidates that I prefer would be Kucinich or Obama. But Obama seems to lack substance.

Here is another vid of him. This vid more broadly portrays his domestic policies.

Ron Paul: Stop Dreaming
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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. But I'm not sure about the universe."

caseagainstfaith · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Ron Paul for President

Philosophos · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Ron Paul for President

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Jason_Harvestdancer · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Ron Paul for President

Philosophos · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Ron Paul for President

Knight_of_BAAWA · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject:

Ummm...I don't think you've read Tom DiLorenzo's The Real Lincoln.

However, give the--wink, I think--you might just be joking some.
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Philosophos · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject:

Paul and Lincoln both have five fingers on each hand... I hardly think this is a coincidence.

Yes - I was pulling Jason's leg as it seems he took my comment seriously.
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Jason_Harvestdancer · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject:

Oh. Um, er...
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Jackass_Philosopher · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject:

I was starting to really lean towards Ron Paul also. However, several of his stances bother me. For instance, on Separation of Church and State:

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

That's from December 30, 2003.

He also mentions that marriage should only be defined as between a man and a woman here:

Federal judges have flouted the will of the American people for too long, acting as imperial legislators instead of jurists. The definition of marriage- a union between a man and a woman- can be found in any dictionary. It’s sad that we need government to define an institution that has existed for centuries.

He was also against the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill here:

The damage this bill does to the First amendment is certainly a sufficient reason to oppose it. However, as Professor Titus demonstrates in his analysis of the bill, the most important reason to oppose this bill is that the Constitution does not grant Congress the power to regulate campaigns. In fact, article II expressly authorizes the regulation of elections, so the omission of campaigns is glaring.

It's hard to get a picture of him so far based on past snippets, some several years old. However, he prides himself on consistency, so it's safe to assume he continues to hold these same beliefs. He's definately a smart man with some interesting ideas, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Jason_Harvestdancer · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject:

I can understand objections to the first two, but objections to McCain-Feingold are pure gold.

That bill was written to exclude 3rd parties and to make it easier for incumbents to achieve re-election. One of the names critics gave it is "incumbent protection act." Say what you want about his religious stands, free speech is still very important, and that includes political speech.

If I donate to a candidate, that is an act of political speech.
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