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sjc P.I.T.A.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: The Bris and Pedophilia |
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Here's something that I had come across quite by accident the other night while watching TV. They were describing the tradition of how the Bris was performed by certain Haredi and Hasidic circles of Judaism. What caught my ear was the practice of Metzitzah b'peh ("suction by mouth") which is the process of using suction to remove blood from the circumcision site which is preformed by the mohel (a Jewish ritual circumciser) after he sanitizes his mouth with alcohol.
The foundation for the ritual of metzitzah is found in Mishnah Shabbat 19:2, which lists metzitzah as one of the four steps involved in the circumcision rite.
It is bad enough that this form of ritualistic mutilation is performed on a non-consenting infant, but to dull the pain inflicted they also get the infant drunk and afterward perform oral sex on them. Tradition without truth is but an old error.
To be fair I went and looked up circumcision as practiced by Muslims as well. Here is a link about Muslim circumcision and it doesn't have a similar rite either, but they do make the child's penis erect by stimulating it. It is still just as barbaric anyways.
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baddogma antitheist

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Watch the Penn and Teller BULLSHIT episode on circumcision.
Unbelievable. _________________ Join http://www.sefora.org/
Can omnicient god who knows the future find the omnipotence to change his future mind?
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Sal1981 Do you hear me now?

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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How ... repulsive. _________________ "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman
"Why not just make your null hypothesis be that..." - Philosophos |
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sjc P.I.T.A.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | Watch the Penn and Teller BULLSHIT episode on circumcision.
Unbelievable. |
Is it basically what I had mentioned above? _________________ America is not worth the effort anymore. RIP. It was suicide. |
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | Watch the Penn and Teller BULLSHIT episode on circumcision.
Unbelievable. |
where can I find there eps? _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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baddogma antitheist

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | [quote="tonyman1989"] | baddogma wrote: | Watch the Penn and Teller BULLSHIT episode on circumcision.
Unbelievable. |
where can I find there eps? |
Youtube has some, google videos may turn up clips...no punn intended. _________________ Join http://www.sefora.org/
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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[quote="baddogma"] | Quote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | Watch the Penn and Teller BULLSHIT episode on circumcision.
Unbelievable. |
where can I find there eps? |
Youtube has some, google videos may turn up clips...no punn intended. |
I can't find whole eps. _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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kmisho Stochastic

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Hitchens also mentions this in God Is Not Great _________________ K Michau
Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
"Never is a long time." Robert Fripp, 1998
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sjc P.I.T.A.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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The only situation I've seen were circumcision is necessary is for something like my second oldest brother went through. At born his foreskin was sealed at the top so they had to remove it to allow him to pee, otherwise circumcision is totally unnecessary. _________________ America is not worth the effort anymore. RIP. It was suicide. |
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Specus_Meretricis Peddler of Bombast

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I tried to find it for you guys, but all my links are dead. I'll keep checking. _________________ Fuck you bitch!!! I told you the asparagus is in the freezer! - William Shatner
What do you call someone that doesn't laugh at asparagus jokes? A human being. |
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sjc P.I.T.A.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | I tried to find it for you guys, but all my links are dead. I'll keep checking. |
That's strange? Why would all of these links go dead? _________________ America is not worth the effort anymore. RIP. It was suicide. |
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Specus_Meretricis Peddler of Bombast

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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It is copyrighted material. Google, youtube, and dailymotion often purge it. Which means I have to find someone who uploaded it at a hosted link, which is rare, but not impossible. _________________ Fuck you bitch!!! I told you the asparagus is in the freezer! - William Shatner
What do you call someone that doesn't laugh at asparagus jokes? A human being. |
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | I tried to find it for you guys, but all my links are dead. I'll keep checking. |
thank you.  _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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CET The Spiritual Atheist

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Jack him, chop off 8,000 nerve endings, and then give him an alcohol soaked BJ?! Am I reading that right?  _________________ Namaste,
CET
The Spiritual Atheist
"Much of the suffering in the world comes from the delusion that we are separate from one another." - Gautama Buddha
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin |
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testsubject Life 1.0 Betatester

Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 903 Local time: 5:29 AM Location: Left of the first star, straight on 'til morning
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you have EMule, you can download them from http://sharethefiles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25782
All 5 seasons are there.
If anyone is interested, I would copy them back on to my HD to guarantee you have a source (I am constantly having to transfer stuff to DVD to make room for more. The hazards of only having a 150g HD[50G free right now]) _________________ Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans.
John Lennon
Let's keep freethought going: |
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