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Sal1981
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 Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Is There an Unmoved Mover? |
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| CET wrote: | | wandering soul wrote: | I am an agnostic atheist. I don't deny that there could be some sort of force or something, but I don't know of any gods to believe in, as I don't have enough evidence or knowledge to really be convinced.
But what about the theory of the unmoved mover? What caused the outward motion of the big bang? Some force had to act on it for it to expand outward, and the original mover must have been able to move on its own.
Many would answer God, kind of like a fill in the blank question. But I wasn't present at the Big Bang, so I cannot be sure that I am not overlooking something.
Any ideas, opinions, theories?
James |
I don't know what caused the big bang. I don't know if there even was a big bang, and neither does anyone else. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying (perhaps to themselves) or trying to sell you something. |
Probably shitty whiskey.
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tonyman1989
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| Moloth wrote: | right-o, Gerard... its okay to say "I THINK this is what's going on, but i'm not SURE"...
Theists tend to say "Well, we can't prove it but we KNOW what we say is the TRUTH." |
True.
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Is There an Unmoved Mover? |
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| CET wrote: | | Anyone who says otherwise is either lying (perhaps to themselves) or trying to sell you something. |
O boy! Another Princess Bride fan! 
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CET
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is There an Unmoved Mover? |
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| Unbeliever wrote: | | CET wrote: | | Anyone who says otherwise is either lying (perhaps to themselves) or trying to sell you something. |
O boy! Another Princess Bride fan! |
"Have fun stormin the castle!"
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