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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | I still think it is hilarious and I like to make fun of it. Don't take it personally...I was making fun of gimp mask ten years ago.  |
"WAAAAAH! IT'S DIFFERENT! IT'S EVIL!" is the point of veiw of far too many people.
First of all, fursuits: the most visible part of furry fandom. Fursuits, aka mascot costumes, are animal suits that people put on to feel like they are a furry character. Most see this as a perverted act, but ítīs really not. Well, in most cases. Then there are the less visible furries who donīt wear fursuits, but have shitloads of furry pics, plushies etc. And then thereīs everything in between.
But what drives people to wear fursuits, go to furry convention and say they are furries? Once again, this too is a complicated matter and this also divides the most furries. Thereīs a couple of "main reasons" which Iīll list.
1) The mild way. A person is very, very attached to furry characters and perhaps in a way heīd like to be one. However, he does know that he isnīt one, he is a human.
2) The in-the-middle-way. This person is too very attached to furry characters, but also feel a special connection to animals. He/she canīt explain it.
3) The extreme way. This person believes that he/she is an animal soul trapped in a human body.
Now, these three are only the three extremes. Thereīs everything in between, for example Iīd most likely fall in 1. And there are most likely even reasons not stated here. Itīs a complex thing, and itīs very hard to explain to someone who isnīt a furry.
Sounds like an ok thing? Sounds like just another fandom thing? That it is. However, media has itīs own way to handle furry fandom and thatīs one of the reasons furries suffer. Mediaīs point of view is simple: all furries are weirdoes who like to dress as animals and then have sex. Even though this couldnīt be further away from the truth (emphasis on the "all"-part. There are furries who do have sex with the suits on, but they are a minority), it doesnīt stop media from shoving that ideology. This is why most people who have heard of furries have a negative opinion of them. This of course isnīt helped by when popular tv-shows have furries in them (CSI had an episode of furries) shown in the wrong light of course and popular internet sites (SomethingAwful) have their own silly crusade against furries. Even though this matter can easily be just laughed at (especially in the pathetic cases of SomethingAwful) it doesnīt take away the truth that people who have never heard of furries, get the wrong impression. And that, my friend, is sad.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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It was on CSI, like the blood drinkers, dwarf humpers, ect. It isn't vanilla so it attracts attention and humor. Hell, regular sex attracts humor. Keep in mind the South Park Syndrom. The more you demand to be taken seriously and get upset when you are mocked, the more you are going to not be taken seriously and mocked. Of course you are the target of SA and ED, how can you not be? When you have a three hundred pound guy dressed like Gizmo teabagging Salior Moon, who isn't going to laugh at that? Furries need to grow a thicker skin...or get a thicker suit! Sorry..too tempting.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Pikachu wrote: | That said, there clearly are things that could constitute animal abuse. Technically, I don't think animals can legally consent, since they can't exactly say yes or no, but as long as you're not hurting the animal or otherwise forcing it to do something it probably couldn't be considered abuse.
I'm certain that the majority of the people who are into zoophilia would never want to hurt the animals they're having sex with. That would be like those abusive relationships between two people. Someone's getting hurt, and that's where the problem starts. |
How can an animal give any consent to humans that they would want to be fucked by some sickos. Did my friends dog give me a consent just because he was humping my leg or was he simply just acting on instinct that even a rock would have satisfied his needs to reproduce and pass on his genes.
How about the difference on intelligence, is a 12 year old kid smart and mature enough to give consent to someone much older than him/her not to talk about a member of different species?
The excuses made by people who are into beastiality are well poor. They're abusing "less" evolved species instinctual behaviour and then they claim that somehow horsey wanted to fuck me, why else would have he fucked me. Hell it would have fucked a plastic tube just the same as it fucked you. Can a plastic tube give consent. Other animals do stuff to get sexual gratification just like humans do, just because an animal is pointing "sexual interest" towards a human (it could be a rolled up carpet instead), it's nothing more than to achieve means of masturbation for the animal, ever heard of a dog that wanks?.
Sexual approaches to animals do not always need force or violence but sensitivity or/and knowledge of animal behavior. This is sufficient enough to deceive the animal into sexual activity with a human. I remember a one case where a woman (a documentary of people who think they have an romantic relationship with their animal companions) got her dogs to have oral sex with her by placing whipcream around her reproductive organs, I doubt that the dogs were aware that they were actually having sex with her.
If it isn't a member of your own species, don't fuck it. Call me a tight-ass but thats just wrong.
Note to Pikachu: I am not adressing this to you as an accusation that you would be into beastiality as it's very clear that you aren't. I just had to vent off a bit as beastiality gets me to react the same way as pedophilia does, so some of my comments may not seem rational or well thought out and maybe a bit emotionally driven but thats how I see it.
PS. I understand furries and I don't have anything against them nor to I think they are "weird" and "evil". They're harmless atleast the majority is, I think. What I don't understand is beastiality in any way.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | It was on CSI, like the blood drinkers, dwarf humpers, ect. It isn't vanilla so it attracts attention and humor. Hell, regular sex attracts humor. Keep in mind the South Park Syndrom. The more you demand to be taken seriously and get upset when you are mocked, the more you are going to not be taken seriously and mocked. Of course you are the target of SA and ED, how can you not be? When you have a three hundred pound guy dressed like Gizmo teabagging Salior Moon, who isn't going to laugh at that? Furries need to grow a thicker skin...or get a thicker suit! Sorry..too tempting. |
LOL i agree, many fans suck at making ther own costume.
That's why there are fursuiters who are willing to do commissions for a price :F. PM me for more info if you really want to know.
But i do agree with you that fat people make the subculture look bad. Well im not fat... i'm always the skinniest fursuiter of all furry conventions.
I don't mind the fact that people need "interesting" things if it helps you show your love and commitment to a person. Would I do it myself....probably not. Think about all the people that beat the living s*** out of each other for pleasure.(hyperbole) There are worse things that you can do.
Before, you go insulting Furries, try looking at what sets you off and see if it is any different.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Kosh wrote: |
Note to Pikachu: I am not adressing this to you as an accusation that you would be into beastiality as it's very clear that you aren't. I just had to vent off a bit as beastiality gets me to react the same way as pedophilia does, so some of my comments may not seem rational or well thought out and maybe a bit emotionally driven but thats how I see it.
PS. I understand furries and I don't have anything against them nor to I think they are "weird" and "evil". They're harmless atleast the majority is, I think. What I don't understand is beastiality in any way. |
Another main thing is that we belittle the amount of sex in the fandom on that post. Kinky furries are nowhere near a minority, there's quite a lot of them. However, the term "kinky furry" is quite a ridiculous one since everyone with deeper affection towards anthropomorphic characters also have fantasies about them, and are more or less sexually interested. Mainly only those that have just found out about it have very different views. However, the whole fandom's basis is NOT sex and dirty games 24/7. The whole fandom is NOT based on yiff and smut even though it's portrayed that way.
Overall, as I read it again now, 'The Ultimate Furry Topic' was a bit too much of a propaganda device of two young and innocent furries instead of an objective view about the matter. However, the reason we both wanted to post this again was because it still contains a lot of fact about the matter; mainly the thing that there's more to it than just yiff. Even if there's fuckloads of yiff.
If you read all this, congratulations.
Also, back on those days we were addicted to "^_^", so our apologies of that. It does look really awful, I know. Plus for some reason I use the accent sign in the place of an apostrophe.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | How can an animal give any consent to humans that they would want to be fucked by some sickos. Did my friends dog give me a consent just because he was humping my leg or was he simply just acting on instinct that even a rock would have satisfied his needs to reproduce and pass on his genes.
How about the difference on intelligence, is a 12 year old kid smart and mature enough to give consent to someone much older than him/her not to talk about a member of different species? |
If life evoloved towards intelligence, then there would be furries. There aren't any.
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[quote="Pikachu"] | Specus_Meretricis wrote: |
I don't mind the fact that people need "interesting" things if it helps you show your love and commitment to a person. Would I do it myself....probably not. Think about all the people that beat the living s*** out of each other for pleasure.(hyperbole) There are worse things that you can do.
Before, you go insulting Furries, try looking at what sets you off and see if it is any different. |
Hmmm...well tall, young, good-looking males with a natural boyishness and a throbbing hard on does it for me. And you are more than welcome to make fun of me for it. I have no need or desire to insult you since you seem to be an okay person and you haven't insulted me. I can, and will, make fun just for the sake of that..fun. I don't take anything seriously and find humor in everything. Especially what we are discussing. So again, I don't mean offense and I am just having a bit of fun at the expense sexuality. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well I know the first thing iam getting when cybernetics make it possible.
Horns and tail. Oh yeah.
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| Kosh wrote: | | The excuses made by people who are into beastiality are well poor... |
Most animals have no *concept* of consent, so trying to apply that standard is ludicrous.
Besides, why is sex the only activity that requires consent? We confine, medicate, neuter, breed, groom, discipline, train, enslave/employ, milk, experiment upon and of course kill and eat animals, despite their inability to give consent. Doing any of these things to a human without consent would be an outrage, yet few people apply this same standard to animals. Why, then do we make a special case when it comes to sex?
Sexual ethics is just ethics.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Heh..
I don't get it... |
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I must really not understand this subculture, because that video freaks me the hell out.
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| physik wrote: | | I must really not understand this subculture, because that video freaks me the hell out. |
Sorry. i took the video down. 
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't freaked out, but i was fully expecting some kind of humping action... but y'all kinda just bobbed your heads around..
..am i a perv...? |
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| Pikachu wrote: | | Kosh wrote: | | The excuses made by people who are into beastiality are well poor... |
Most animals have no *concept* of consent, so trying to apply that standard is ludicrous.
Besides, why is sex the only activity that requires consent? We confine, medicate, neuter, breed, groom, discipline, train, enslave/employ, milk, experiment upon and of course kill and eat animals, despite their inability to give consent. Doing any of these things to a human without consent would be an outrage, yet few people apply this same standard to animals. Why, then do we make a special case when it comes to sex?
Sexual ethics is just ethics. |
Hardly the same thing. Humans are predators/users we live of others for our own survival and benefit, like it or not. Sex with another species is not essential nor beneficial to us in anyway. Granted be that some of the practises performed on animals by us is somewhat superficial like furs for rich ladies just to show off and look pretty (some do actually have a need for furs but in modern western society it is no longer ethical to kill an animal just for it's fur as there is no actual need for it.). There are lot of benefits to be had in experimenting, drug testing and producing meat,milk and other food products and animals benefit from the care of humans and are depended on us for their own survival even though they'll eventually end up on our food tables. Cow gives milk, cow gets protection, fed and taken care of, hardly a bad deal for the cow as it would die without humans and yes there is no consent to be had from the cow but we aren't the only ones doing this, it's nature, a mutually beneficial relationship (like ants and aphids).
Then what benefits there are to be had in having sex with another species other than the sexual gratification of a single selfish individual, it's just as narcistic and needless abuse of animals as the ladies/men who wear dead animal skins on their backs, regardless of "consent".
If there are no actual benefits to be had other than the fulfilment of an non-beneficial desire, it's nothing more than abuse of an animal or human.
It's about 2.30 am. as I am writing this, hopefully my comment isn't full of contradictions and stupidity. Goodnight.
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