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josephpalazzo
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 Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: I want a relativistic theory of original sin |
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| abstract atheist wrote: | | Does anybody know of a fruit that creates the second law of thermodynamics, changes the genetic code, and makes people freak out because they have certain body parts? |
Alcohol??? **snork**
On a more serious side, what is more bothersome is their pretentious attitude that they know it all, when science clearly indicates that we know just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much to learn, discover, and research that 5 billion years, what this sun has to go, won't be enough... |
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abstract atheist
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This may not be a relativistic theory of original sin, but it is by far the best exposition I have EVER read on a theory of original sin:
Evolution, Evil,and Original Sin
It's too bad that protestants can't be more like Catholics.
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I'm honored. Be sure to credit me.[/quote]
Actually, now that I have analysed your version of RQFTS, I think I have found a problem. You say the quanta of the sin field (let's call them sintons) travel at the speed of light. But you also said they are very heavy, and only massless particles travel at the speed of light. But maybe if the geometry of the other dimensions is just right, this will not be a problem. Anyway I would be interested in seeing Feyman diagrams of sintons, goddons, and normal matter interacting. Whenever I write a quantum field theory textbook, RQFTS will be in there as an example QFT, to prepare the students for less crazy QFTs such as QED.[/quote]
obviously, since god can do anything, he can make the heavy particles travel the speed of light (or faster, if he wants)
relativity is just the devil trying to lead you away from god's word
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abstract atheist
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obviously, since god can do anything, he can make the heavy particles travel the speed of light (or faster, if he wants)
relativity is just the devil trying to lead you away from god's word |
did you even read the theory I just posted? It says god cannot create a world without evil because it is a logical impossibility. NOT because the price of free will is evil, but because the price of creating anything obeying any laws of physics is that inevitably those things must decay and die. In other words this catholic said that creating a perfect physical world is like creating a square with 3 sides, something that not even god can do.
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| abstract atheist wrote: | | Quote: |
obviously, since god can do anything, he can make the heavy particles travel the speed of light (or faster, if he wants)
relativity is just the devil trying to lead you away from god's word |
did you even read the theory I just posted? It says god cannot create a world without evil because it is a logical impossibility. NOT because the price of free will is evil, but because the price of creating anything obeying any laws of physics is that inevitably those things must decay and die. In other words this catholic said that creating a perfect physical world is like creating a square with 3 sides, something that not even god can do. |
But it's not the end of that theory. God redeemed himself. "The Christian God is an incarnate God who cares, who suffers with the world and with us, like a woman in labor, to bring forth something new and wonderful." According to the article, "This historic insight, which we owe to modern evolutionary science, has been too long overlooked by theologians and too long denied to people laboring under the faith..." An ingenious spin, which must make Einstein spin in his grave. Recall, he said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge". Gotta give it to those Catholic theologians and their imagination... |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: I want a relativistic theory of original sin |
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| abstract atheist wrote: | | Original sin is inconsistent with special relativity. When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, the universe instantaneously was transformed into a fallen world. That means the effects of sin traveled faster than the speed of light, violating causality. In other words, observers would not neccesarily agree whether the fruit was eaten first, or the chaos that resulted happened first. Aliens, for example, might have noticed pain, suffering, death, and decay coming into existence for no apparent reason. Only later would they observe Adam and Eve eating the fruit. A relativistic theory of sin, where sin travels at the speed of light (perhaps as massless particles created by the forbidden fruit), has many problems. The effects of sin could only have reached 6000 light years away, but we see the effects of sin billions of light years away (supernovae, etc.). Anyway, I would like the fundamentalists to construct a relativistic quantum field theory of sin. |
Who woulda thunk that eating an apple would effect not just the surrounding wind, woods and water, but the earth and the universe itself? This is one of those questions where xians roll their eyes and I can't help but roll mine too. Nice exercise in theories I supppose.
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