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chookrooter
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| Quote: | Trust me.
You will.
And then you can get on with things with that understanding. |
WHY on earth should I trust you? I don't know you, and you come across a mildly irritating twit. Not the kind of person I would invite into my home,be too hard to remain civil if you started laying on the merde de les boefs..
I'm really not interested ,at all,in the opinions of an hubristic and patronising twat who has the arrogance to infect this site with its drivel.
Don't get me wrong,I wouldn't mind quite so much if you weren't so boring. It would be nifty if you could produce something original or intelligent to say. So far you've done neither..
You seem to have a major problem with your own understanding: With most of the atheists here,it's not that we don't understand,rather it's that we do,very well indeed. In my experience it's believers who cherry pick from their sacred books to choose what to emphasise,and ignore the rest.
Of course,you have the right to be here, just as I have the right to ignore you.
Disclaimer: I apologise if I've gone and gotten it wrong again viz: If you're being all clever and satirical. I get confused as most of the christians and muslims who come here tend to be self parodies,so I find it hard to tell the difference. At present we have one theist here who has some credibility with me. His nick is "Romans120". |
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isixylixsis
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| chookrooter wrote: | | Quote: | Trust me.
You will.
And then you can get on with things with that understanding. |
WHY on earth should I trust you? I don't know you, and you come across a mildly irritating twit. Not the kind of person I would invite into my home,be too hard to remain civil if you started laying on the merde de les boefs..
I'm really not interested ,at all,in the opinions of an hubristic and patronising twat who has the arrogance to infect this site with its drivel.
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Did I cut you at the heart that you should choose your words to return the same to me?
If I hurt you, tell me I've hurt you. It's twice the hurt if you craft your return instead of just giving the other person an opportunity to reply and apologize. |
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chookrooter
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| Quote: | Did I cut you at the heart that you should choose your words to return the same to me?
If I hurt you, tell me I've hurt you. It's twice the hurt if you craft your return instead of just giving the other person an opportunity to reply and apologize. |
My dear fellow,that was me being polite.I was not being deliberately hurtful. Really.Cross my heart.
My feeling was as I said, mild irritation ,not hurt feelings. This is an atheist forum. If a believer comes here and starts preaching ,they're fair game.
I do not pretend to be a "nice person". I don't suffer fools either here or in real life. Respect is a two way street with me. You have yet to earn mine. I think it's disrespectful to come to this forum and patronise me and others and assuming we're ignorant by preaching the common party line of the dogmatic christian. The "you just don't understand or you'd believe" is a form of argumentum ad hominem.
Many here are (including me,an ex-catholic) have actually read the bible. Some have studied theology and/or philosophy. There are even a couple of quite good minds here.Yet you blunder in,and presume to teach me,and others here. That my dear chap is arrogant and patronising.
That no offence was intended prevented me from saying really unkind things, I assure you. As it was, I only commented on your behaviour. I think I was fair,accurate and restrained. I have no reason to doubt that you are a good,decent and sincere person.( with some irritating attributes,but no one's perfect).
I don't seek an apology, as the offence was unintentional. Nor will I argue or discuss matters religious with you. The reason is that as far as I can tell, you are "a presuppositional apologist".That means you argue from a position of unassailable certitude. You are not not willing to concede the possibility of error. Real debate is not possible .Plus so far I've seem no evidence of independent thought or ideas from you.
It was not my intention to cause you any real hurt. However,such fore knowledge would not have changed my response.I was not being dishonest or insincere.I expressed what I thought and felt,clearly. Had I been really angry my response would have been much less pleasant.  |
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| chookrooter wrote: | | Quote: | Did I cut you at the heart that you should choose your words to return the same to me?
If I hurt you, tell me I've hurt you. It's twice the hurt if you craft your return instead of just giving the other person an opportunity to reply and apologize. |
My dear fellow,that was me being polite.I was not being deliberately hurtful. Really.Cross my heart.
My feeling was as I said, mild irritation ,not hurt feelings. This is an atheist forum. If a believer comes here and starts preaching ,they're fair game.
I do not pretend to be a "nice person". I don't suffer fools either here or in real life. Respect is a two way street with me. You have yet to earn mine. I think it's disrespectful to come to this forum and patronise me and others and assuming we're ignorant by preaching the common party line of the dogmatic christian. The "you just don't understand or you'd believe" is a form of argumentum ad hominem.
Many here are (including me,an ex-catholic) have actually read the bible. Some have studied theology and/or philosophy. There are even a couple of quite good minds here.Yet you blunder in,and presume to teach me,and others here. That my dear chap is arrogant and patronising.
That no offence was intended prevented me from saying really unkind things, I assure you. As it was, I only commented on your behaviour. I think I was fair,accurate and restrained. I have no reason to doubt that you are a good,decent and sincere person.( with some irritating attributes,but no one's perfect).
I don't seek an apology, as the offence was unintentional. Nor will I argue or discuss matters religious with you. The reason is that as far as I can tell, you are "a presuppositional apologist".That means you argue from a position of unassailable certitude. You are not not willing to concede the possibility of error. Real debate is not possible .Plus so far I've seem no evidence of independent thought or ideas from you.
It was not my intention to cause you any real hurt. However,such fore knowledge would not have changed my response.I was not being dishonest or insincere.I expressed what I thought and felt,clearly. Had I been really angry my response would have been much less pleasant. |
I believe you.
What I get is my due reward at this place, I don't deny that.
The words used I just reserve for the most damaging bitterness in me. I know people whose day would be ruined if those words were given to them for something they did ignorantly.
That's a family damaged by the tenor of the person hurt, because the family relies on the normally cheerful character of the person in the family.
It's the loss of a job, when the wrong person says the one word that makes the hurt person bark at their lowest point.
It's a child being told "No, go watch TV" when the hurt parent is a weak parent and sulks in powerlessness as they wade through muck of shame at what they know now was shameful, and the inability to respond to the one who has both humiliated and damaged them.
But both sides need to take care. I think it's better, if I was really that ignorant, to show mercy. You didn't change me but mercy would have changed me forever. |
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chookrooter
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| Quote: | | I think it's better, if I was really that ignorant, to show mercy |
I believe you believe that. I believe it's better to do everything one can to prevent mistakes which to me are a no brainer. Mercy,forgiveness and charity are gifts, not entitlements. .Morally superior as a general principle? I don't believe so, as my position is one of moral relativism, not christian. In this case, I'm left with some hope that you may be more circumspect in future. The resultant mutual civility will be to your advantage.
Ignorance in and of itself is not a crime. BUT,imo,willful ignorance is far worse than clinical stupidity. Unfairly perhaps, I responded to what I saw as the stereotypical smug arrogance of the dogmatic believer. Such people present themselves to others of differing views as so smug in their certitude that they really can't see how they could possibly cause offence, and if they do, people should forgive them.
I do not even dislike you,we've never met. I disliked what you said and the tone. My response was blunt and insensitive, as I'm a cranky,misanthropic old man. I was not being malicious. If I truly hurt your feelings,perhaps practice what you preach,and forgive me. |
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isixylixsis
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| chookrooter wrote: | | Quote: | | I think it's better, if I was really that ignorant, to show mercy |
I do not even dislike you,we've never met. I disliked what you said and the tone. My response was blunt and insensitive, as I'm a cranky,misanthropic old man. I was not being malicious. If I truly hurt your feelings,perhaps practice what you preach,and forgive me. |
First humanity will learn to translate and get to the truth. I think that every wrong starts because what you've said right here is not common understanding.
I think the big thing is to just learn to translate what everyone is saying so that I can first see you on my common ground, and the same grace I reserve for my best friend will be the natural way I communicate with everyone.
Everything you've said is right except for you being a cranky misanthropic man. I don't think you believe it but I've learned that saying it reinforces it in subtle way. |
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lumpymunk
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BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH
Okay, your turn again.
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isixylixsis
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| lumpymunk wrote: | BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH
Okay, your turn again. |
I don't think you meant to tell me that the things, that I did not intend to waste your time with, were so much a waste of your time, that you assume I know I was wasting your time so that you don't have to tell me explicitly, but that your identification of my intention would be recognized by your implicit statement.
I think what I said annoyed you but it first came off as what I just wrote. But I don't think you intended to cut my heart, you just wanted a creative way to express how I annoyed you. |
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| lumpymunk wrote: | BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH
Okay, your turn again. |
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chookrooter
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| Quote: | | But I don't think you intended to cut my heart, you just wanted a creative way to express how I annoyed you. |
Imo,THAT's the most intelligent thing you've said so far. None of the members here seem actually psychotic*,and I doubt if any are really malicious either.A common trait is that many of us simply will not suffer fools.Sadly, that seems to be a common view of you.as you present yourself
I don't mean that as an insult, merely as an observation.I may be totally wrong,if I am, someone will probably correct my error.
*There was an exception, gone for the nonce.His nick is Asana Boditharta, and he really does seem clinically insane,and rather thick,which is a freaky combination, ax-murderer-wise.
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so is it that we don't understand god that we don't believe in him?
is that what you said way back?
what would your description of him be?
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seetheidiot
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I hate the idea of god and how easily people say they believe in him. Most of my friends who do believe in god have never given religion a second thought and I really do think that's sad because obviously religion is a huge part of society (unfortunately...).
In all honesty, I think it's absurd how many people honestly do believe in god. Call me intolerant; I don't care, I think it's fucking stupid to believe in him. The story of god sounds like some guy was fucking around with people, telling them stories and forgot to tell them that there really isn't some dude chillin in the clouds. |
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| HxC wrote: | so is it that we don't understand god that we don't believe in him?
is that what you said way back?
what would your description of him be? |
You have no need to believe in God, so you don't.
Any description I give will fail. I've learned that the central issue is "Will I be confronted for all of my actions when I die?"
Not even heaven or hell. Just, will a man be judged for all, and what is the result of that judgment.
I think every human being has known this and deals with this for all their life. And this is forever without a bible. |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | HxC wrote: | so is it that we don't understand god that we don't believe in him?
is that what you said way back?
what would your description of him be? |
You have no need to believe in God, so you don't.
Any description I give will fail. I've learned that the central issue is "Will I be confronted for all of my actions when I die?"
Not even heaven or hell. Just, will a man be judged for all, and what is the result of that judgment.
I think every human being has known this and deals with this for all their life. And this is forever without a bible. |
Isix, what happens after the judgement? I agree with you that most of us humans deal with self judgement all of our lives but that is due to upbringing, not a god. I believe in god but I don't believe in a judgement by anybody but ourselves. What say you? |
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