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chookrooter
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Pedantic point;How do you know from which tribe Miriam,the putative mother of Yeshua came?
We don't know for a fact that Jesus existed. As far as I'm aware,there are no contemporary records about Jesus himself, his teachings or or his family background..The gospels are mixture of hearsay,supposition and invention. Collectively,The Gospels and Letters of Saul are the mythology of Christianity and Imo need to be taken as such.They are in no way a reliable history nor a consistent and cohesive moral philosophy..
I simply do no accept that the Jesus of the gospels had an historical existence. .It's possible that there was a wondering rabbi called Yeshua Bar Yosef at that time. But, we do not know where he was born,or to which tribe he belonged.
No one knows with any degree of certainty what he may have looked like;personally, I don't care.
I concede I may well be wrong in every regard.Be mildly interested in proof of of the assertions about Jesus' appearance.-- right after proof of his historical existence of course. 
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | Gerard wrote: | | Arabs aren't black, neither were the Jews. |
Actually in Jesus's time the Arabian peninsula was considered to be part of what we now call Africa. |
Well, no matter what is was considered as it doesn't change the skin colour of the people in the area, if people there were as black as other africans in Jesus' time they would surely still be that colour.
I'd say he probably just looked like an arabian
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| chookrooter wrote: | | I simply do no accept that the Jesus of the gospels had an historical existence. |
I think that he could have existed, but that he was simply a man who preached the old testament to people. I read somewhere that Jesus would describe God as 'father', but it was more likely that he was describing him in terms of "our father" rather than him being a son of god. It's been suggested that he was a fisherman as he described the kingdom of god as "casting out a net, removing the bad fish and then keeping the good ones".
Myths are often just exaggerations of the truth, one person tells a story, the next person forgets a few details and jazzes it up a bit, next thing you know, as an example, Vlad the impaler is being accused of drinking people's blood when all he did was impale people. |
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Naoryunosuke
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| jdopus wrote: | | I'd say he probably just looked like an arabian |
I classify that as black, black is a classification of people with dark skin colour. People call me white but you don't hear me saying "well actually I'm a cream colour". |
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You know, I came steaming into this thread expecting at least ONE Chris Rock/Dogma reference, just one! But instead all I got was serious discussion. To hell with all of you.
I watch too many god damn movies
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Thread resurrection O.o
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | Considering that Jesus was supposed to come from Arabia then I don't see why people should be so surprised if he was black. I would be more surprised if he came from Arabia and he was white.
Why exactly do Christians worship Jesus anyway, he was the king of the Jews. I know that Christianity split off from Judaism but you would expect the Jewish to worship him, wouldn't you.
Considering the amount of work that probably went into shoe-horning Jesus into the role, "descendant of King David, born in Bethlehem" etc, I'm not surprised they don't worship him. |
He's not technically a descendant of David according to the Bible; since his father was NOT Joseph, it was God, he was born of a virgin with no sexual union. He is not of the line of David and has no right to the throne, if you would believe the scripture  (Unless Mary is a descendant of the line of David, which I have no knowledge of)
(Yes, I know this is a few months old  )
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| Tryto wrote: | | Naoryunosuke wrote: | Considering that Jesus was supposed to come from Arabia then I don't see why people should be so surprised if he was black. I would be more surprised if he came from Arabia and he was white.
Why exactly do Christians worship Jesus anyway, he was the king of the Jews. I know that Christianity split off from Judaism but you would expect the Jewish to worship him, wouldn't you.
Considering the amount of work that probably went into shoe-horning Jesus into the role, "descendant of King David, born in Bethlehem" etc, I'm not surprised they don't worship him. |
He's not technically a descendant of David according to the Bible; since his father was NOT Joseph, it was God, he was born of a virgin with no sexual union. He is not of the line of David and has no right to the throne, if you would believe the scripture (Unless Mary is a descendant of the line of David, which I have no knowledge of)
(Yes, I know this is a few months old ) |
its been argued by some that one of the genealogies of the new testament is supposed to be mary's line. It would be convenient for that to be true since we have two contradictory genealogies in the NT, but its pretty clear that both are supposed to be for Joseph (oopsie, inerrantists!). This makes many of us think that the virgin birth idea is a later addition to the Jesus legend and that originally Jesus was indeed supposed to have been born of two human parents
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Jesus never existed. It is futile to even entertain the notion of a historical "Jesus". He's been disproven.
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DISPROVEN?
I tend to think there was no historical Jesus, but when has it been proven there wasn't a historical Jesus?
When was he disproven?
I don't think even the venerable and saintly Bible Geek would agree its been DISPROVEN.
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