Do atheists have values?

dogonism · Visitor Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Posts: 9 Local time: 11:26 PM

As an atheist I get the impression that religious people assume that morality is absent in non-believers.

This, I feel, could not be farther from the truth. But as there is no real formal declaration of values, of which I am aware, I have put together a list of what the values of atheist types might be. For my motivation behind this see my introduction.

I think values with which we could come up would be far superior to those of traditional religions.

Here's my initial list.

I'd welcome any suggestions, and discussion.
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LakeGeorgeMan · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Do atheists have values?

Shiranu · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject:

No, I do not have values, WHAT. SO. EVER.

Every time a Christian asks me that, I kick him in the balls, piss on his dog and rape his woman. Then I go out side and lay my feces apon the cross, and nail believers to a cross.

Wait... no I dont.... I dont kill anything intentionally, I stay polite even when people dont ask for it, I donate to the poor (and not through charities, where 90% of your money goes to administration), I always have a good sense of humor, etc. etc....

Yet, in face of over-whelming evidence to the contrary, I do NOT have morals, or so the religious say.

Crazy.
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ImRunninUDown!33 · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject:

Christians say whatever they please about us Atheists

my gfs mom said that she thinks i dont have rules, as if i can do whatever i want and not be punished because i dont believe in the divine. but thats very ignorant of her because of course i have a set of rules, i mean if i kill someone then i get the same punishment anyone else would, depending on the degree either life in prison or a death sentence. yeah i dont go to heaven or hell because i dont believe in that hocus pocus bullshit but if i commit a crime im at the full extent of the law. Or maybe Christians dont think the law of the state applies to them, seeing as how my gfs mom is a terrible speeder Laughing

but to answer your question yes i have morals, they are just MY morals, not already set out for me in a fairy tale ADVENTURE!
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LakeGeorgeMan · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject:

LakeGeorgeMan · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject:

Jutter · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Do atheists have values?

Shiranu · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:

LakeGeorgeMan · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject:

ImRunninUDown!33 · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject:

josephpalazzo · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject:

Morals are nothing but rules we abide to in order to live in a functional society.

LakeGeorgeMan · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:

jaycorath · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject:

Do atheists have values? That just doesn't make sense as a question to me. Every person has "values".

Implicitly, when most people talk about "values" they're defining "bad" or "no" values as anything that doesn't fit into their own values.

Since atheists deviate from what theists deem to be "good values" (belief in god) then according to their own value system, we have a bad value. We have "no values" when it comes to god, per their definition.

Anyhow, religious people just attribute their values to God so that they don't really have to defend their values. Kinda nifty not to have to think about certain moral questions, eh?

People don't decide what is right and what is wrong based on their belief or disbelief in a creator. They base their beliefs on experience, advice from parents and other authority figures, and on the values they adopt from their friends and peers. Religion often plays a role, but even when it does I think its a very minor one.
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dogonism · Visitor Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Posts: 9 Local time: 11:26 PM

Remember chaps this is tongue-in-cheek. Though there are some serious issues that are raised.

corynski · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:52 am Post subject:

Do atheists have values? Is a pig's posterior pork?

I start from here:

"I need no warrant for being, and no word of sanction upon my being. I am the warrant and the sanction." -- Ayn Rand, 'Anthem' 1946
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