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| WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
Cuz teh wolf is bigger lulzzzz |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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| WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
If that is the case then Chimps are MORE evolved than we are.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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| baddogma wrote: | | WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
If that is the case then Chimps are MORE evolved than we are. |
In some cases? ......
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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| BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
If that is the case then Chimps are MORE evolved than we are. |
In some cases? ...... |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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| baddogma wrote: | | WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
If that is the case then Chimps are MORE evolved than we are. |
Well, chimps have an extra set of chromosomes and maybe a slightly larger genome.
But these guys are REALLY "evolved" (more than 35 times the size of the human genome):
Edit: Oh, and this guy's around 200 times "more evolved" than humans:
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | | BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
If that is the case then Chimps are MORE evolved than we are. |
In some cases? ...... |
Ron perlman :X |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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| baddogma wrote: | | WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
If that is the case then Chimps are MORE evolved than we are. |
And every T-rex was a monumental, humongus genius...  |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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| baddogma wrote: | | WashMDJD wrote: | | I'd be curious, from the point of view of the person making such an argument, just how they objectively decided that the wolf had 'more' information than the chihuahua. How would they measure the 'information' that they claim exists in genetic material in order to make an ordinal comparison? |
If that is the case then Chimps are MORE evolved than we are. |
Yeah, I mean, I understand how from a geneticist's perspective, one genome may contain the recipe for 'more' stuff (even if most of that genome's recipe codes for absolutely nothing that is activated).
But the creationist can't be basing his claim that the wolf has 'more' information off of genetics, can he? I mean, he wants to get to the proposition that the wolf has more so that he can say that the wolf was a prior form and due to the introduction of sin the genome is corrupting, hence it is going from 'more' perfection to 'less' perfection over time (due to the corrupting power of sin). However, I don't think that proposition can be even remotely supported with genetics - which means that if the creationist is making that claim about wolves and chihuahuas, he must either be begging the question and assuming that his "sin over time = 'less' information in a genome" starting position, or he must be measuring information in some fashion other than by looking at the numbers of chromosomes.
If he is looking at the information level in some fashion other than by counting chromosomes (in which case many plants have more information than we do), I am curious to hear what that methodology is like. If he cannot produce one that satisfies, it looks more and more like he was simply begging the question, in which case the response is, "Well, yes, I agree with you. If we accept your assumptions as a starting basis, then the wolf does have more information than the chihuahua, which is why the wolf could evolve into a chihuahua but not the other way around. However, since genetics observably doesn't work like that, we must question your assumption much more heavily or reject it outright." Then that opens up a nice opportunity to give a beautiful talk about inactive DNA, promoters, and 'nonsense' DNA that with a single addition error somewhere could start some little RNA molecules building peptide chains.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: question re evolution |
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