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Special Relativity and Spaghettification

 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Special Relativity and Spaghettification Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It seems to me that spaghettification may conflict with certain principles of relativity.

Consider three objects. Two are stationary relative to each other(A and B), and the third(C) is flying between both of them at a relativistic velocity. Now, A and B will observe C as having a large amount of mass, and C will observe both A and B as having large amounts of mass. A and B will gravitate toward C(or so they think). C will observe A and B attracting each other and C(or so he thinks). (Note: I am not certain if these would actually be identical scenarios, as I am quite lazy. For the purposes of this thread, I am assuming that all observers will see a consistent reality.)

Now, this would be all fine and dandy under most conditions. Everybody sees a reality perfectly consistent with relativity. However, add spaghettification into the picture. Certain parts of each observer will have different amounts of attraction. What I want to know is if these different amounts are actually different for each observer.

Observer C will observe A and B to be spaghettificated toward each other, and slightly toward itself.
Observers A and B will observe each other as slightly spaghettificated toward each other, and strongly toward A.
To me, these appear to be entirely different realities. From C's picture, A and B will be "pointed" toward each other mostly, and slightly tilted toward C.
To A or B, the "point" will be more toward A, and only slightly tilted to the other stationary observer.
Am I overlooking something?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

For spaghettification, you're missing a black hole.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

josephpalazzo wrote:
For spaghettification, you're missing a black hole.
A black hole isn't necessary to spaghettificate, just to do so a very noticeable amount.
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GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
For spaghettification, you're missing a black hole.
A black hole isn't necessary to spaghettificate, just to do so a very noticeable amount.


Wrong. No black hole, no spaghettification...

... unless you have a pasta machine, but that would not work in your scenario, LOL.
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josephpalazzo wrote:
GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
For spaghettification, you're missing a black hole.
A black hole isn't necessary to spaghettificate, just to do so a very noticeable amount.


Wrong. No black hole, no spaghettification...

... unless you have a pasta machine, but that would not work in your scenario, LOL.
The gravitational field doesn't diminish in strength with distance, now?
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GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
For spaghettification, you're missing a black hole.
A black hole isn't necessary to spaghettificate, just to do so a very noticeable amount.


Wrong. No black hole, no spaghettification...

... unless you have a pasta machine, but that would not work in your scenario, LOL.


The gravitational field doesn't diminish in strength with distance, now?


Spaghettification has to do with a body being caught at the horizon event of a black hole. As it enters, the part caught by the force of gravity will split into two parts, then each of these are split again into two, making 4 parts, then 8, 16, and so on. This process goes on up to the point in which the split-up pieces of the original object are of the order of atoms.
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josephpalazzo wrote:
GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
For spaghettification, you're missing a black hole.
A black hole isn't necessary to spaghettificate, just to do so a very noticeable amount.


Wrong. No black hole, no spaghettification...

... unless you have a pasta machine, but that would not work in your scenario, LOL.


The gravitational field doesn't diminish in strength with distance, now?


Spaghettification has to do with a body being caught at the horizon event of a black hole. As it enters, the part caught by the force of gravity will split into two parts, then each of these are split again into two, making 4 parts, then 8, 16, and so on. This process goes on up to the point in which the split-up pieces of the original object are of the order of atoms.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

By spaghettification are you actually trying to talk about length contractions?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kraft wrote:
By spaghettification are you actually trying to talk about length contractions?
No. I am talking about the slight difference in gravitational pull.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
GodWarrior98 wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
For spaghettification, you're missing a black hole.
A black hole isn't necessary to spaghettificate, just to do so a very noticeable amount.


Wrong. No black hole, no spaghettification...

... unless you have a pasta machine, but that would not work in your scenario, LOL.


The gravitational field doesn't diminish in strength with distance, now?


Spaghettification has to do with a body being caught at the horizon event of a black hole. As it enters, the part caught by the force of gravity will split into two parts, then each of these are split again into two, making 4 parts, then 8, 16, and so on. This process goes on up to the point in which the split-up pieces of the original object are of the order of atoms.
You're smarter than this.


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