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| Moloth wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: |
With the lack of information available there is no way you could make a rational conclusion that this person is agnostic and I suggest you talk to an agnostic or research agnosticism before you make a fool of yourself in front of a real agnostic. Dislike of organised religion isn't criteria for being agnostic or do all agnostics have a heterogeneous mixture of beliefs. |
 so when someone, who IS an atheist, tries to describe to you what atheism is, you blow it off and use an internet dictionary's definition instead..
BUT...people should come to YOU, a 'real agnostic', for what an agnostic is?
go fuck yourself, you hypocrite troll! |
I agree with moloth.
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Welcome Lithium! 
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| Pochoclo wrote: | | Man, that is really normal. Many people believe in god, but not in religion. Maybe because is too hard to follow rules and believe in something that could open the heaven doors. |
To be honest I never really heard of anyone saying that they believe in creator but not religion I have just always associated the two. Still learning I guess.... You post makes a lot of sense to me.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: |
With the lack of information available there is no way you could make a rational conclusion that this person is agnostic and I suggest you talk to an agnostic or research agnosticism before you make a fool of yourself in front of a real agnostic. Dislike of organised religion isn't criteria for being agnostic or do all agnostics have a heterogeneous mixture of beliefs. |
so when someone, who IS an atheist, tries to describe to you what atheism is, you blow it off and use an internet dictionary's definition instead..
BUT...people should come to YOU, a 'real agnostic', for what an agnostic is?
go fuck yourself, you hypocrite troll! |
I never brought up the fact I was an agnostic nor did I present my argument from a view of someone who is agnostic, I just pointed out there was not enough information to determine if person was an agnostic or not, and that it is pertinent to research that topic more thoroughly. I never stated to them what agnosticism was, only what agnosticism wasn't. "What about when someone describes blah blah," That is irrelevant to this conversation, this isn't the same scenario and it is a false comparison that out of contextualizes a few things.
When someone who is atheist describes what atheism is they will either get it right, half right/ half wrong or pretty damn wrong. You usually get it half wrong to pretty damn wrong. You blast me for correcting a person with a Lexicon, (Merriam Webster ONLINE version is identical to its HARDBACK version- You're trying to make it seem less credible because it is online which is utterly a sham of an argument.) but you also forget I have presented many other academic sources to support my statements. Whereas, what have you done? To highlight your most ineffective methods, you've argued "Etymologically it means this!@@" when etymologically you won't accept that you are a girl, its a clever fallacy on your part but not clever enough. Secondly, you argue that atheism is "lack of belief in god not DISBELIEF-" Atheism is a disbelief (belief-) system, Agnosticism is an unbelief (or belief or disbelief system depending on your qualifiers for bot.) system. Lastly, you argued everyone is an atheist at birth and every non-theist, is an atheist. As we know atheism is a part of non-theism, however, not every non-theist is an atheist but every atheist is a non-theist. We also discussed and I proved soundly in another thread that when a baby is born at best he is nontheistic or irreligious, not atheist, theist or even agnostic and at worse he or she is a practitioner in egocentricity. And to seal the deal as a bonus, you bought up implicit and explicit atheism however failed to realise they are philosophical not academic understandings of Atheism, as I have presented. Just like atheism, when I do present agnosticism, I present it academically. The same way I handle theism- and so on.
However, I never gave this person a "definition" of agnosticism nor did I ever suggest people should come to me for advice. I never mentioned I was agnostic because of that, actually. However, I do know more about both agnoticism and atheism you apparently do so I'd suggest they not pick you for any objective understanding.
You're making shit up and talkin big moloth but when we take a closer look at your actual argument and compare it with the history of mine, you have nothing to support your irrational views of me.
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| iTweez wrote: | | I agree with moloth. |
Then you agree with a lie. |
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keep on yapping, Dawk... as you can see, its really working..
its very easy to point out your lies, your weasel words and your blatant attempts at trolling.
don;t get mad at ME for seeing right through you. there will always be people who don't get suckered in by you.
you could either 1. stop being a dick or 2. learn to troll more subtly.
i don;t think you're smart enough to do 2., so i'm really hoping that you'll just stop stop trolling, stop being a blatant hypocrite and actually TRY to ADD something constructive to this community instead of trying to sow confusion, strife and misconceptions.
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Because last I checked God doesn't need theism to exist as a concept or in actuality. |
I ain't reading posts this long from Dawk. Jezus.
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| baddogma wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Because last I checked God doesn't need theism to exist as a concept or in actuality. |
I ain't reading posts this long from Dawk. Jezus. |
Of course, given your low level of reading comprehension why would you? Paragraphs are your most dangerous enemy. |
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| Moloth wrote: | keep on yapping, Dawk... as you can see, its really working..
its very easy to point out your lies, your weasel words and your blatant attempts at trolling.
don;t get mad at ME for seeing right through you. there will always be people who don't get suckered in by you.
you could either 1. stop being a dick or 2. learn to troll more subtly.
i don;t think you're smart enough to do 2., so i'm really hoping that you'll just stop stop trolling, stop being a blatant hypocrite and actually TRY to ADD something constructive to this community instead of trying to sow confusion, strife and misconceptions. |
You haven't pointed out lies, you've created them and went "hah look I was right. " You're provoking me with knowingly misrepresenting what I have said and my positions along with throwing down several accusatory statements you know you haven't supported and given how you have thus far failed to support any accusation of me you won't do so in the future.
I'm not angry with you, you think to highly if you believe your antics have riled me up. If you want to hold faith in the delusions that you are a white knight and I a dark knight, and your bullshit tactics are "for the good of the forum" go ahead and be that fool. You even question my intelligence when you don't even understand the definition of hypocrisy, continually misuse it and have no real idea about the ideas which you think I have. You are so removed from actuality and from understanding my views you've instead created a version of me which only exists in your head.
Lastly, Do you honestly think that your provocations toward me and inflammatory comments, along with the desire you have to force me off this website are constructive or not causing strife? Stop that projection of your actions, or what you believe to be my actions, onto me. Above I delivered a respectful, rational response to your accusations and in your "retort" all you did was attack and spread libel of my character. You don't have a real argument against me, you only have an irate opinion. I suggest that instead of trying to cause a piss match every thread you see me in you should instead support your arguments and stop blowing your own horn. All you are doing is regurgitating the same failed tactics in the hope I slip up and give you what you want.
Or you can just pretend to be a white knight again. |
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Stole that picture!! Don't give a shit about the conversation. That's a GREAT pic!
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i love rage kudos on the quote brah
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It really is a shame that people become more and more hostile toward atheist just because of who we are.. I was told point blank that "he thinks I don’t believe in god because I am too arrogant to see that there could be anything greater than me”.....
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| Lithium wrote: | | It really is a shame that people become more and more hostile toward atheist just because of who we are.. I was told point blank that "he thinks I don’t believe in god because I am too arrogant to see that there could be anything greater than me”..... |
Easy rebuttal to that would be, "well of course I believe there is something greater then me. The earth is greater then me, the sun is greater then me, light is greater then me. Perhaps I'm just not arrogant enough to think that these things care at all about me."
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | i love rage kudos on the quote brah |
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| greyghost wrote: | | Lithium wrote: | | It really is a shame that people become more and more hostile toward atheist just because of who we are.. I was told point blank that "he thinks I don’t believe in god because I am too arrogant to see that there could be anything greater than me”..... |
Easy rebuttal to that would be, "well of course I believe there is something greater then me. The earth is greater then me, the sun is greater then me, light is greater then me. Perhaps I'm just not arrogant enough to think that these things care at all about me." |
Well said, gg.
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