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JBCuzISaidSo
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| ShaSha wrote: | | JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | I often wonder what would happen if these people had the epiphany that there was actually no god at all. Would they be embarrassed by their actions?
That's probably the reason why the evangelicals/fundamentalists such as this lot hang onto religious belief and defend it with such gross tenacity.
Because if they've been wrong this whole time, boy do they look foolish.
Certain types of people you catch in a lie will pad that lie to defend questioning instead of owning up. I find this is right along the same vein as not wanting to be wrong.
Humans are fucking fascinating. |
I don't think so. Look at all of the different religions of the world. They all have various "trance" rituals that enable them to become more of themselves. From the Native American dances to the African, the Sufis, the Asians, the fire walkers etc. everybody has body movement rituals. It took Holy Rollers to put a little movement into Xtianity and I say Amen  It all works no matter which god or non god one believes. The purpose is to get to a part of oneself that isn't usually reached in the serious day to day living.
Today many reach that with regular exercises. The high of physical sports is like the high of any body movement. Not every body can do sports so what the hey, let the "spirit" move them, even if it is just the human spirit. |
I do understand what you wrote. Human beings are pattern-seekers after all, and that includes the physical patterns they themselves do. With kids, structure is recommended for a very good reason: it aims not only towards reliability and building the child's security, but it can dull them down enough to make other things sink in such as schooling.
They don't worry about 'this', than have more time to focus on 'that'.
Ritual, in this sense, is right on the money and has a very good use. Remove the woo-woo for me, though, please. I was raised with the same woo-woos that video shows, by the way. I've seen it first hand, and actually the participants are thrilled afterwards, and move along like a great weight was lifted off their shoulders. (And a long-time family thing between them and myself because I never participated.)
I appreciated your reply, but what I meant in my post was different than your reply I think.  My thought was geared more towards what if they 'realized' (for lack of a better word as I don't hold absolute knowledge for other people, just myself) there is no god after all. How would they feel about themselves if they were taped and saw it after deconversion, and also a guess as to one reason why the staunch hang on so tightly---having nothing to do with the video itself.
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JBCuzISaidSo
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| pr126 wrote: | Reminds me of news clips where teenage girls crying, screaming hysterically at their pop idols at shows or at the airport.
Mass hysteria at its best. Amazing. |
OH MY GOD ELVIS/THE BEATLES!!!!
/does Home Alone scream and faints
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pr126
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ShaSha:
It doesn't bother m at all. I am just amazed by the phenomena.
It proves that religion is not always necessary for odd behaviour.
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ShaSha
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: | | JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | I often wonder what would happen if these people had the epiphany that there was actually no god at all. Would they be embarrassed by their actions?
That's probably the reason why the evangelicals/fundamentalists such as this lot hang onto religious belief and defend it with such gross tenacity.
Because if they've been wrong this whole time, boy do they look foolish.
Certain types of people you catch in a lie will pad that lie to defend questioning instead of owning up. I find this is right along the same vein as not wanting to be wrong.
Humans are fucking fascinating. |
I don't think so. Look at all of the different religions of the world. They all have various "trance" rituals that enable them to become more of themselves. From the Native American dances to the African, the Sufis, the Asians, the fire walkers etc. everybody has body movement rituals. It took Holy Rollers to put a little movement into Xtianity and I say Amen It all works no matter which god or non god one believes. The purpose is to get to a part of oneself that isn't usually reached in the serious day to day living.
Today many reach that with regular exercises. The high of physical sports is like the high of any body movement. Not every body can do sports so what the hey, let the "spirit" move them, even if it is just the human spirit. |
I do understand what you wrote. Human beings are pattern-seekers after all, and that includes the physical patterns they themselves do. With kids, structure is recommended for a very good reason: it aims not only towards reliability and building the child's security, but it can dull them down enough to make other things sink in such as schooling.
They don't worry about 'this', than have more time to focus on 'that'.
Ritual, in this sense, is right on the money and has a very good use. Remove the woo-woo for me, though, please. I was raised with the same woo-woos that video shows, by the way. I've seen it first hand, and actually the participants are thrilled afterwards, and move along like a great weight was lifted off their shoulders. (And a long-time family thing between them and myself because I never participated.)
I appreciated your reply, but what I meant in my post was different than your reply I think. My thought was geared more towards what if they 'realized' (for lack of a better word as I don't hold absolute knowledge for other people, just myself) there is no god after all. How would they feel about themselves if they were taped and saw it after deconversion, and also a guess as to one reason why the staunch hang on so tightly---having nothing to do with the video itself. |
Actually if you look up the origin of our class structure, it was to gear us for working in factories. So indeed it did have a purpose of dumbing us down and making us all the same and obedient to "management". Look it up.
Interest in a subject automatically quiets one. Boredom automatically causes the shuffles This is why modern schools are starting to change because they see the student learning better if they get out of just structured environment.
I was in a generation of pre school where it wasn't play, it was all structured. Today's pre school is all about movement and letting kids get about.
Even though you see no connection with what you mentioned, I do. If you were part of a religion where you were abused for not cooperating, you have my sympathy. I am not talking about each and every human case. I am talking though about the benefit of movement and how for some, the belief in a god might be necessary to loosen them up to let them be more of their whole self. There is no separating ourselves into different rigid categories or we will pay the price. To suggest that movement such as in the video is harmful to all in that video is a generalization that has no evidence. That you were harmed by something similar might be true. It is equally true that movement in a church helped free me from dogma. |
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ShaSha
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| pr126 wrote: | ShaSha:
It doesn't bother m at all. I am just amazed by the phenomena.
It proves that religion is not always necessary for odd behaviour. |
Indeed and I will take a rock concert over religion unless the latter is by mature choice. |
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chookrooter
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Revival meetings are great places to go if you want to get laid. 
---all that teenage hysteria seems to have a definite sexual component. A more than passing resemblance to a rock concert.
My only direct experience is limited to a Penatcostal Revival: People singing in tongues, other people being "slain in the spirit" all over the place.It was amazing,and rather scary. I was dragged there by a girlfriend who was bit odd at the best of times. The side of her she showed at that place scared the crap out of me. I broke up with her the next day. |
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Pochoclo
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Is like a Tiesto Concert! so, where are the drugs? or are they doing it naturally? WOOT!:O Inject me some Jesus please!
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