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caseagainstfaith God's gift to atheism

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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, part 2 is completely dismantling part 1. Not ONE atheist was on that panel or someone who even made a half assed attempt to defend what was described in part 1. I couldn't even get through part 2. I had to turn it off about half way through when that one lady started goin off on "They need to shut up." |
I thought the black guy wasn't bad, he said that there's a lot of people that "need to shut up" but that atheists aren't one of them. I thought he was fair.
But, the point that there was no atheists on the panel is valid. Would they discuss race discrimination with a panel of white guys? _________________ Please visit my site at www.caseagainstfaith.com featuring critiques of Lee Strobel and other apologetics
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Iliketofrolic666 laissez faire, laissez aller, laissez passer

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| caseagainstfaith wrote: | | CET wrote: |
Wow, part 2 is completely dismantling part 1. Not ONE atheist was on that panel or someone who even made a half assed attempt to defend what was described in part 1. I couldn't even get through part 2. I had to turn it off about half way through when that one lady started goin off on "They need to shut up." |
I thought the black guy wasn't bad, he said that there's a lot of people that "need to shut up" but that atheists aren't one of them. I thought he was fair.
But, the point that there was no atheists on the panel is valid. Would they discuss race discrimination with a panel of white guys? |
It seemed like the reporter got lazy and decided to find random people around the office for a "discussion", I mean why else would there be a guy from ESPN talking about religion? |
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AiiA

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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Terrordar Forum Plebian


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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest? The ignorance in that room from the two 'women' (if I dare call them that after what I just whitnessed), was stunning.
"atheists need to just shut up!"
I've always theorized that people feel that way about Athiesm and Evolution, not because they truly hate it, but because it terrifies them, as deep down, it makes them question.
And questioning is not something religious people are comfortable with. _________________ Forces of Chaos... BOW to me... |
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politicalhumanist Real Change activist

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Anybody fucks with me for being an atheist...Well you know I'm on felony probation. At least I have the balls to beat the shit out of somebody for calling me a dirty atheist. _________________ http://freethinkernation.com
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zxcvcxz Royal Citizen


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transientangent Forum Leader


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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| AiiA wrote: | | atheists need hallmark cards |
Hallmark cards? Fuck hallmark cards. If I've got something nice or clever to say to someone special I'll be saying it myself thank you very much. And what would an atheist hallmark card look like? I'm guessing it'd look like the load of nonreligious cards they have already. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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CET The Spiritual Atheist

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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimitz wrote: | AiiA said:
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Nice!
P.S.
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CET
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"Much of the suffering in the world comes from the delusion that we are separate from one another." - Gautama Buddha
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AiiA

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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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A minor detail - In case anybody missed it, it was Karen Hunter that said, "...atheists need hallmark cards".
I was being sarcastic.
"...what does an atheist believe? nothing. right?" (1-second of cold silence) swaying back and forth, looking at the floor {is anyone here picking up the subtleties of her body language?}
It sounds like her reasoning is (from the tone of her voice [disgust] and body language)...therefore, atheists have no morals ...therefore, atheists are nothing, nobodies...therefore atheists deserve what they get...therefore atheists dig their own grave...atheists have no rights...they actually got more than they deserve...
Hunter spits, "...atheists got this; they got that, prayer out of school, blahblahblah...when is it gonna end? What more do they want? This story doesn't deserve to be mentioned"
Then after Debbie Slushelslut (what ever the fuck her name is) starts talking they cut back to Hunter to show us her sublely bouncing and has 'I loath atheists' on her face.
Much of news media is not the words being spoken as much as it is about the body language.
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St3vo Intern


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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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This is a facinating story. It proved two very (in my opinion) well-known things:
-Minorities can talk negatively about other minorities (notice how the Jew and the black talk about "Atheist discrimination towards the majority Christian population")
-There is an incredible amount of ingorance in America, even in the media (notice how Paula Zahn asked "do you think Atheists could keep their religious beliefs secret?", how the Jew stated "this is a Christian nation" and everyone agreed with that, how they used 2 lawsuits to show "Atheist Intolerance", how the black lady said "I think if they had some hallmark cards they might be happier", and how the black lady also said "I think they need to shut up") The black lady was the most out of line person in that whole group, but that would imply a rather old steriotype.
One thing I found especially interesting was when the African American man said "You can believe in whatever you want as long as you aren't imposing your beliefs on other people, so be it" -One thing Christianity, and all religions in general, do is they try to impose their beliefs on other people. How do you think Mormonism grew in the early 1830's? Through forcing Joseph Smith's teachings down on people. That is how all religions grow. There are even some modern day examples of this. Look at Europe, there are 50 million Muslims there that riot and bitch about even the slightest thing.
That's just my view on topics like this. _________________ §†ËVØ
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." - David Brooks
"If we are going to teach 'creation science' as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the 'stork theory' as an alternative to biological reproduction."- Judith Hayes
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St3vo Intern


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After reviewing part 2 I decided that the black lady should have a post that was solely dedicated to her.
First and foremost, has she already forgotten aparteid? She obviously has because she doesn't look old enough to have lived in that era of discrimination. Discrimination is a bad thing, but it can also make you intelligent, dedicated, tolerant, and willing to fight for your kind. She is the opposite of those 4 qualities.
Another question I think she should hear is would prayer in school really help? I know people who go to a Catholic privet school. They pray everyday. They are also some of the biggest, disciminatory assholes you could probably ever meet. Saying that taking prayer out of school will make immoral kids is a load of shit (I apologize for the language). Infact when we did have prayer in school we also had an incredible amount of discrimination for blacks and (40 years prior to prayer being taken out) women were looked at as second class citizens. If you think that having prayer in school would make a generation of morally correct citizens then you need a lesson in history.
All 4 of those people (Palua Zahn included) showed an enormous amount of ignorance, but the black lady showed the most so that's why I gave her a special post that was dedicated to her ignorance. _________________ §†ËVØ
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." - David Brooks
"If we are going to teach 'creation science' as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the 'stork theory' as an alternative to biological reproduction."- Judith Hayes
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder." - Homer Simpson
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CET The Spiritual Atheist

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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I saw the irony in a group of minorities screaming the kinds of things that we expect to hear men in white hoods shouting at them. _________________ Namaste,
CET
The Spiritual Atheist
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Jutter Quixotic Cloggy

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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Castaa wrote: | | These two videos need to be reposted in the main discussion section. It's too important. |
[modhat on]We don't have a main discussion section. And I agree this stuff is important, even though the foreign media will probably and sadly beg to differ. Where I do have to disagree is this. Thread distribution isn't about "importance" but "rellevance". So if I would move this puppy, it would be to News stories and current events.
I know general discussion is generally is the place where (1) most people look first because (2) that's where most of the posts end up, because of (1).
That does not make it the "main" section. It just gives me and my colleagues me more work to do.[/modhat off]
Don't worry. This thread will probably stay hot enough to appear in the recent posts section at the top of the index page for a while. _________________ ~ Let us be reasonable ~
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... then to finally start listening to each other."
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