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 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Lets assume god exists... Why would he create the univer |
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| EnigmaHood wrote: | | Of course I'm an atheist, but if we were to assume god exists, his role in our universe really falls apart when you consider all the scientific theories. |
Agreed. Though, I wouldnt just say it is the theories, but nature itself.
| EnigmaHood wrote: | | We know for a fact that he didn't create us, |
No we don't.
| EnigmaHood wrote: | | so we couldn't have been in his plan. |
It all depends on the type of god you are talking about. If you are talking about the Judeo-Christian God then I would disagree with you. (Considering the whole omniscience and predestination thing)
| EnigmaHood wrote: | | At most, you could say he was responsible for abiogenesis, and he initiated the Big Bang... |
Agreed. But with time those will probably be shown to be just natural phenomena like everything else we've observed.
| EnigmaHood wrote: | | But the motive really falls apart when you think about it. |
I agree. Why would an omnipotent, perfect being "want" or "need" anything?
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I should have clarified this. He couldn't have created us, because we know for a fact that we evolved from prior organisms and we weren't created. The only possibility open is that he initiated abiogenesis, but he didn't create homo sapiens specifically. We evolved.
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Ive debated this before, their defence seems to revolve around Jehovah wanting to be worshipped for being so awesome, talk about a god complex...
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I'm diggin' the whole black hood coverin' the eyes combined with the scruffy beard thing...I kept waiting for the ransom demand...
Anyway, here are some other ideas:
1. The universe is the result of god farting.
2. The universe is the result of god blowing his nose.
3. The universe formed from a bubble of soup splattering in god's microwave.
4. The universe is part of a adventure/strategy video game god is playing.
5. The universe is an experiment in a petri dish in god's freshman "Universe Creation 101" class at God State University. He's likely to get a C+.
6. The universe is simply a power source that fuels god's car.
7. The universe is a bead of sweat under god's arm while he's out jogging.
8. God created the universe 'cause he really loves the way black holes look....they're kinda like his art.
9. God created the universe to watch all the confused sentient creatures try and figure it out...it's kinda a practical joke on us.
10. The universe is a kinda like a fungus that started growing underneath one of god's toenails.
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| EnigmaHood wrote: |
I should have clarified this. He couldn't have created us, because we know for a fact that we evolved from prior organisms and we weren't created. The only possibility open is that he initiated abiogenesis, but he didn't create homo sapiens specifically. We evolved. |
Italics: That's why in God games like Spore I can only initiate life and not give some evolutionary perks on the way, right?
Bold: Not really. |
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| Lets assume God hates Youtube. By falling sway to a heretic website you've doomed yourself to fall not only out of God's grace but wander the bouts of an electronic, unforgiving and repetitive hell full of grammatical errors and crazy arsed feminists. Enjoy your afterlife. |
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God created mankind to worship him, or so I have been told all my life.
Always sounded like he was some type of arogant, self-rightious fuck, but I kept my mouth closed.
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| LakeGeorgeMan wrote: |
3. The universe formed from a bubble of soup splattering in god's microwave.
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Ha, he would have had to create ELECTRICITY beforehand.
Gotcha'... |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | LakeGeorgeMan wrote: |
3. The universe formed from a bubble of soup splattering in god's microwave.
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Ha, he would have had to create ELECTRICITY beforehand.
Gotcha'... |
Maybe its a MAGIC microwave...
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Cos I never saw him/her/it=can't be true.
3 yr old could tell you that. |
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| LakeGeorgeMan wrote: | I'm diggin' the whole black hood coverin' the eyes combined with the scruffy beard thing...I kept waiting for the ransom demand...
4. The universe is part of a adventure/strategy video game god is playing.
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I say he is playing Civ 4, but he keeps cheating and using the global editor cause he sux. (This is if we are assuming he exists....)
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | EnigmaHood wrote: |
I should have clarified this. He couldn't have created us, because we know for a fact that we evolved from prior organisms and we weren't created. The only possibility open is that he initiated abiogenesis, but he didn't create homo sapiens specifically. We evolved. |
Italics: That's why in God games like Spore I can only initiate life and not give some evolutionary perks on the way, right?
Bold: Not really. |
Except reality isn't a game. Evolution occurs on its own, no intelligent designer is involved in it.
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| EnigmaHood wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | EnigmaHood wrote: |
I should have clarified this. He couldn't have created us, because we know for a fact that we evolved from prior organisms and we weren't created. The only possibility open is that he initiated abiogenesis, but he didn't create homo sapiens specifically. We evolved. |
Italics: That's why in God games like Spore I can only initiate life and not give some evolutionary perks on the way, right?
Bold: Not really. |
Except reality isn't a game. Evolution occurs on its own, no intelligent designer is involved in it. |
Except you're attacking my metaphor instead of the message within it. Are you so incapable of arguing your point you must use surface scathing remarks? Under your assumption that God exist, so does the possibility of God as not only being the initiator of abiogenesis but the tailor of evolution and several other important concepts. There is just not one possibility open, there are several, such absolutism on your part is absurd. |
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| Quote: | | Except you're attacking my metaphor instead of the message within it. Are you so incapable of arguing your point you must use surface scathing remarks? |
Yes? No? Perhaps? 
I can say you don't really understand evolution. Evolution requires no intelligent input what so ever. The mechanisms for evolution are mutation, genetic drift, gene flow, recombination, and natural selection. There is no intelligent designer involved in that. Now if your point is, it's possible for an omnipotent being to guide evolution? Sure, it is by definition a being that can do whatever the hell it wants. We just know that he didn't because we can already explain our evolution through naturalistic means. This is a case where Occam's Razor applies. Even if we assume a god of some kind exists, there's no convincing reason to believe he guided our evolution.
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