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Blasphemy Challenge - Part II

 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Blasphemy Challenge - Part II Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I don't have a humanistic world view. I am a girl without labels.

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Nor i follow:



• Atheists don't have logos.
• Atheism is not a religion.
• I am therefore i am.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

yeeeeah... someone may have just missed the point. O_o
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Are there differences between a secular humanism world view and metaphysical naturalism?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Castaa wrote:
Are there differences between a secular humanism world view and metaphysical naturalism?
Apparently some atheists seem to think atheism is a belief system. So they made up labels. I am just outside of all belief system.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Castaa,

Secular Humanism is one sort of metaphysical naturalism. So if you're a secular humanist, you're a naturalist, but if you're a naturalist, you're not necessarily a humanist.

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It never ceases to amaze me the human desire to form and be associated with groups Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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It never ceases to amaze me the human desire to form and be associated with groups Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

An organisation promoting humanism having a logo is no reason for me to be a humanist, but it isn't a reason for me to refrain from humanism either. I give a shit. And ultimately that's what a humanist is; an atheist who gives a shit.

Simply put humanism is the moral framework that places human prosperity at the centre. It stands in contrast to theism because it inserts "for our sake" where a theist would insert "for God's sake".

As an atheist you're not under the impression that there's a God or guardian angels looking out for us, so unless you are inclined to think the little birdies will look after us, or that it would be great if you were utterly alone and had to take care of everything and I do mean every fucking thing yourself, you'll recognize that it's up to us to take care of us.

Humanism isn't a group to belong to, but the acknowledgement of mankinds self-reliance, and the interdependance of people.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Humanism is not a default position.

• If Humanism is Atheism, then Humanism support Atheism.
• Atheism does not support Humanism.
• Therefore, Humanism is not Atheism.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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It never ceases to amaze me the human desire to form and be associated with groups Laughing

You mean like becoming a member of the group at AtheistForums?

Why is it "amazing", or even humorous in any fashion? Why should humans be any different than most other mammals in respect to belonging to a group? It's a primary reason the human species has survived 200,000 years -- and so we're hardwired that way.

But Humanism is all about that group known as Homo sapien.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pikachu wrote:
Humanism is not a default position.

It's a rationally defensible one I think. But, no, unfortunately many people don't even give a shit about being helpfull, or even considerate, so you can just forget about an explicit humanist stance, and some of them are bound to be atheists. Some people are atheists simply because they don't give a shit.

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• If Humanism is Atheism, then Humanism support Atheism.

The question here is, is humanism incompatible theism. I think it is only insofar as the theist's commitment to their 'god' makes the humanism secundairy.
Of course humanism isn't atheism. Humanism tells you what you are, it's about a moral position one does hold, and atheism tells you what you're not, it's about a religious/spiritual position you don't hold.
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• Atheism does not support Humanism.

In the words of George H Smith atheism is compatible with everything but theism.
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