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CruciFiction Forum Plebian


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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: Blasphemy Challenge - Part II |
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The Humanists' version _________________ "It worries me about religion in that it teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding." ~ Richard Dawkins |
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Pikachu Forum Master


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I don't have a humanistic world view. I am a girl without labels.
I dont follow:
Nor i follow:
• Atheists don't have logos.
• Atheism is not a religion.
• I am therefore i am. _________________ In Dog We Trust
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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yeeeeah... someone may have just missed the point. O_o _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Castaa Forum Master


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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Are there differences between a secular humanism world view and metaphysical naturalism? _________________ MY YouTube Videos
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Pikachu Forum Master


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| Castaa wrote: | | Are there differences between a secular humanism world view and metaphysical naturalism? | Apparently some atheists seem to think atheism is a belief system. So they made up labels. I am just outside of all belief system. _________________ In Dog We Trust |
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Castaa,
Secular Humanism is one sort of metaphysical naturalism. So if you're a secular humanist, you're a naturalist, but if you're a naturalist, you're not necessarily a humanist.
- JL _________________ Heaven's not a place that you go when you die,
It's that moment in life when you actually feel alive.
So live for the moment.
And take this advice, live by every word.
Love is completely real, so forget everything that you have heard.
And live for the moment, now.
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Klarky Bag of Mostly Water

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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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It never ceases to amaze me the human desire to form and be associated with groups  _________________ That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. ~ Christopher Hitchens
Anarchism is simply the revolutionary idea that no-one is better qualified to run your life than you are.
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Pikachu Forum Master


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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Klarky wrote: | It never ceases to amaze me the human desire to form and be associated with groups  | For money. _________________ In Dog We Trust |
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Jutter Quixotic Cloggy

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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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An organisation promoting humanism having a logo is no reason for me to be a humanist, but it isn't a reason for me to refrain from humanism either. I give a shit. And ultimately that's what a humanist is; an atheist who gives a shit.
Simply put humanism is the moral framework that places human prosperity at the centre. It stands in contrast to theism because it inserts "for our sake" where a theist would insert "for God's sake".
As an atheist you're not under the impression that there's a God or guardian angels looking out for us, so unless you are inclined to think the little birdies will look after us, or that it would be great if you were utterly alone and had to take care of everything and I do mean every fucking thing yourself, you'll recognize that it's up to us to take care of us.
Humanism isn't a group to belong to, but the acknowledgement of mankinds self-reliance, and the interdependance of people. _________________ ~ Let us be reasonable ~
Congratulations: you are paracorrect about the supernatural.
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... then to finally start listening to each other."
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Pikachu Forum Master


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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Humanism is not a default position.
• If Humanism is Atheism, then Humanism support Atheism.
• Atheism does not support Humanism.
• Therefore, Humanism is not Atheism. _________________ In Dog We Trust |
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CruciFiction Forum Plebian


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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Klarky wrote: | It never ceases to amaze me the human desire to form and be associated with groups  |
You mean like becoming a member of the group at AtheistForums?
Why is it "amazing", or even humorous in any fashion? Why should humans be any different than most other mammals in respect to belonging to a group? It's a primary reason the human species has survived 200,000 years -- and so we're hardwired that way.
But Humanism is all about that group known as Homo sapien. _________________ "It worries me about religion in that it teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding." ~ Richard Dawkins |
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Jutter Quixotic Cloggy

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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Pikachu wrote: | | Humanism is not a default position. |
It's a rationally defensible one I think. But, no, unfortunately many people don't even give a shit about being helpfull, or even considerate, so you can just forget about an explicit humanist stance, and some of them are bound to be atheists. Some people are atheists simply because they don't give a shit.
| Quote: | | • If Humanism is Atheism, then Humanism support Atheism. |
The question here is, is humanism incompatible theism. I think it is only insofar as the theist's commitment to their 'god' makes the humanism secundairy.
Of course humanism isn't atheism. Humanism tells you what you are, it's about a moral position one does hold, and atheism tells you what you're not, it's about a religious/spiritual position you don't hold.
| Quote: | | • Atheism does not support Humanism. |
In the words of George H Smith atheism is compatible with everything but theism. _________________ ~ Let us be reasonable ~
Congratulations: you are paracorrect about the supernatural.
*"If there were nobody listening to gods anymore, there would be nothing left for us to do,...
... then to finally start listening to each other."
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