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 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: Fun church activity:beat the shit out of the kids. |
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http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070207/NEWS06/702070447
| Quote: | The church condones discipline, not abuse, said Shamblin. In an exclusive interview, she called spanking a "loving," "time-tested, ancient teaching from the Bible."
"Parents need to know that spankings and traditional groundings are not against the law," she said. "I abide by the law.
"We don't leave marks." |
Yet church memebers are getting behind the couple in question. :feh:
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Death by gluestick. What a horrible way to go. The church should be charged with something.
Do we have any laws against cults that incite people that act out in violent and illegal ways?
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Although I don't know where I stand on other parents spanking their kids, it occurred to me long ago that the mildest spanking, administered by me upon an adult neighbor, would result in an assault charge. That thought experiment ended physical punishment in my house. This case, to be fair, isn't about just spanking but torture. It's horrific what this little boy went through.
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| SteveInSF wrote: | Death by gluestick. What a horrible way to go. The church should be charged with something.
Do we have any laws against cults that incite people that act out in violent and illegal ways? |
I doubt gluesticks are what killed the kid. They were charged with beating the child with "unknown objects". |
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On CNN this morning, the defense was claiming that the boy seemed possesed. They said his voice changed, he claimed he was 'Legion, soldier of the devil' and threatened to kill the family.
What next? Do they claim that they beat the shit out of their 8 year old son in self-defense?
How can parents kill their own child then blame it on the child?
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| SteveInSF wrote: | On CNN this morning, the defense was claiming that the boy seemed possesed. They said his voice changed, he claimed he was 'Legion, soldier of the devil' and threatened to kill the family.
What next? Do they claim that they beat the shit out of their 8 year old son in self-defense?
How can parents kill their own child then blame it on the child? |
Legion is the same group of demons that Jesus thwarted and made them possess a bunch of pigs, shortly before they ran over a cliff to their death. I guess Legion survived  |
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IMHO, spanking is a form of bullying. The parent can't control the child, and is frustrated, so they resort to physical violence. Discipline them from day 1 and be consistent. Children will test the boundaries of what's OK and what's not, that's what they're supposed to do. They want to know what's OK, what's not and if you will actually enforce it. If you can't enforce it, you are an ineffective parent and you'll have bratty kids who will push your buttons all day every day. If you can enforce it, you'll have kids who listen when you speak and follow directions.
Of course, some kids are more work then others (I was a freakin handful), but it's all about boundary control. If you have a handle on boundary control AND show your kids genuine love and affection, you'll have great kids.
Now, buy my new book called, "How to be a super-duper-perfect parent!" I have no credentials, but I have watched every episode of Supernanny and consider myself to be very smart.
Buy my book! 
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| Quote: | | Legion is the same group of demons that Jesus thwarted and made them possess a bunch of pigs, shortly before they ran over a cliff to their death. I guess Legion survived |
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No, buy MY book!
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| CET wrote: | IMHO, spanking is a form of bullying. The parent can't control the child, and is frustrated, so they resort to physical violence. Discipline them from day 1 and be consistent. Children will test the boundaries of what's OK and what's not, that's what they're supposed to do. They want to know what's OK, what's not and if you will actually enforce it. If you can't enforce it, you are an ineffective parent and you'll have bratty kids who will push your buttons all day every day. If you can enforce it, you'll have kids who listen when you speak and follow directions.
Of course, some kids are more work then others (I was a freakin handful), but it's all about boundary control. If you have a handle on boundary control AND show your kids genuine love and affection, you'll have great kids.
Now, buy my new book called, "How to be a super-duper-perfect parent!" I have no credentials, but I have watched every episode of Supernanny and consider myself to be very smart.
Buy my book! |
You are absolutely correct. I am a parent of 5 year old and 2 year old boys, and resorting to physical violence is never the answer. The only thing they'd get out of a spanking is, it's good to hit someone to get the result you want.
Kids don't know it, but they do respect when you stick to your guns.
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| CET wrote: | IMHO, spanking is a form of bullying. The parent can't control the child, and is frustrated, so they resort to physical violence. Discipline them from day 1 and be consistent. Children will test the boundaries of what's OK and what's not, that's what they're supposed to do. They want to know what's OK, what's not and if you will actually enforce it. If you can't enforce it, you are an ineffective parent and you'll have bratty kids who will push your buttons all day every day. If you can enforce it, you'll have kids who listen when you speak and follow directions.
Of course, some kids are more work then others (I was a freakin handful), but it's all about boundary control. If you have a handle on boundary control AND show your kids genuine love and affection, you'll have great kids.
Now, buy my new book called, "How to be a super-duper-perfect parent!" I have no credentials, but I have watched every episode of Supernanny and consider myself to be very smart.
Buy my book! |
Experimental psychology supports your view. I think the best is to reward good behavior and ignore bad behavior. Often times behavior of a child is done to get a rise out of the parent. Children are not very good at distinguishing positive attention from negative attention. They just want attention. So you pay attention to the good and ignore the bad. Over time this works because the means of attention seeking becomes habitual, i.e. good behavior is habituated.
Obviously you can't completely ignore all bad behavior, because a lot of it can kill your kids. But punishing kids for coming close to inadvertently hurting themselves is not the answer. In these cases, simply stop the child from hurting itself but avoid attaching attention props like yelling, scolding, spanking etc. In other words, make the correction appear to the child as little as possible as if you are providing the desired attention.
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| rolandpibb wrote: | | The only thing they'd get out of a spanking is, it's good to hit someone to get the result you want. |
Or it teaches the child to be afraid of their parents, which ultimately leads to hate.
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Beatings (or as my dad called them "spankings") never did anything except piss me off. He thought they worked, because I would stop arguing, but what he didn't know was that I was even more determined to be defiant, I was just more covert about it in the future. I got into a lot of trouble as a child and youth.
I talked to him about this recently. He was still convinced that spanking was the best thing he did for me and was remorseful that he didn't do it more. He seemed totally surprised and even unable to comprehend that spanking didn't do anything for me. Honestly, I think his mind remains unchanged, because he is completely convinced that if you spare the rod you will spoil the child. When something is THAT ingrained, it isn't coming out very easily.
When I have kids, there is no way on earth I'm going to allow him to raise a hand to them, on penalty of not seeing them or me again.
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