Evolution

xena · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:05 am Post subject:

Thanks

baddogma · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:12 am Post subject:

Once you have a working understanding of evolution you do not need faith, the evidence is everywhere. Every argument the creationist has fails miserably. The only argument they have is from personal ignorance and blind faith. Maybe you should not confront her about it and just ask questions. Ask about endogenous retrovirus insertions, broken vitimin C gene, Vestigial organs, why there is not one layer of rock with every living creature in it. When presented with questions it forces them to think, when confronted with "facts" they run.
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baddogma · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:56 am Post subject:

I'd be interested to hear the theist arguments. The most common are:
1. We have not found any transitional fossils
2. DNA supports a creator not evolution.
3. Life is too complex to have come about by CHANCE!
4. Vestigial organs are not VESTIGIAL, THEY HAVE A FUNCTION!
5. things evolve to a POINT......
6. the bible saiz!

best arguments FOR evolution.
1. it is a solid scientific theory that has not been falsified.
2. Broken vitamin C gene common with apes.
3. endogenous retrovirus insertions. is god a liar?
4. transitional fossils, layering, sorting. How if not over millions of years?.
5. vestigial organs. They may have a use, they may have a NEW use, they are still vestiges of a organ used by an ancestor.

Any better arguments on either side?
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josephpalazzo · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:18 am Post subject:

baddogma · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:34 am Post subject:

Exactly, Evolution is a very fragile theory considering the amount of fossils out there. All it would take is ONE out of place to falsify it. For example, if humans fossils were found with dinosaurs. Game over, the theory is shot.
Of course they are found all the time together....it is a mass conspiracy to cover it up.
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xena · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:37 am Post subject:

sadly, I can guarantee on hearing the phrase 'but it's all guess work' and 'no scientists agree on any one thing'
When asking for evidence for her god, I always get 'you wouldn't understand. It's faith I have within me and you just don't get it and you never will' or she has been a tad more cruel, 'what are you then? what are you without a belief?'

Like it's sad or something............ahh-bollocks.

baddogma · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:49 am Post subject:

josephpalazzo · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

xena · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:07 am Post subject:

Good point... Razz

kmisho · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:40 am Post subject:

kmisho · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:48 am Post subject:

xena · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:53 am Post subject:

Nice

Rortykiller · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject:

baddogma · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject:

Rortykiller · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject:

I guess if you want to think about things as Right and Wrong or something ridiculous. But in your dichotomous paradigm you actually propose that to disprove one aspect of evolution would ruin the whole thing. Of course, as a pragmatist, you wouldn't be making any such point. Its completely obvious that even if a part of evolution was disproved the theory could easy continue to help you to better cope with your environment.
And that is a fact, evolution's utility was in motion far before it ever got proven, and since it has been proven has not seized inspiring brilliant changes to the field of biology as well as other natural sciences.
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