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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:14 am Post subject:
Moloth wrote:
AF only needs two forums now.. ETD and LoveShack.
nobody posts in the loveshack and generally i wont post big posts in ETD. Though since I've been back it has been like 2 thread in 2 days that I got sent to ETD. I'm on a roll.
Though I think my thread on anarcho-capitalism isnt ETD worthy just delete the knob crap from it.
and no one knows the way. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject:
Canid wrote:
I don't know how this came up again,
Cuz there are people here who evidently don't understand basic mechanisims such as gravity, vulume, density, mass, OR they just have really bad reading comprehension.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject:
Shiranu wrote:
They go back to a water form, and increase the oceans size. What is hard to understand about that?
I'm fairly certain ice that is "floating" in the ocean will not affect oceanic levels whether it melts or stays frozen. Its displacement remains constant in either form. Only water added to the ocean that isn’t floating will change current sea levels, like most of the ice in the Antarctic and Greenland.
You can perform a simple test by floating ice in a glass of water, draw a line on the glass when the ice is frozen and see if its level goes up when it melts. It won't. Now if you stack ice in the cup to the bottom, where the ice isn't floating, the water level will rise. _________________ Atheism... Evolving beyond superstition
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject:
josephpalazzo wrote:
MockingGods wrote:
I don't know if you consider Nasa scientists to be credible or not, but this is a snip of what they have to say.
Nasa wrote:
Over the last five years, 600 scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change sifted through thousands of studies about global warming published in forums ranging from scientific journals to industry publications and distilled the world’s accumulated knowledge into this conclusion: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.”
Far from being some future fear, global warming is happening now, and scientists have evidence that humans are to blame. For decades, cars and factories have spewed billions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and these gases caused temperatures to rise between 0.6°C and 0.9°C (1.08°F to 1.62°F) over the past century. The rate of warming in the last 50 years was double the rate observed over the last 100 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further.
What? NASA?? The same people who put humans on the moon, regularly send probes to Mars, studies the Earth's magnetosphere, and I'll skip the rest, what do they know about science???
Yeah, who woulda thunk they'd know what the fuck they were talkin about _________________ Atheism... Evolving beyond superstition
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:
Since I don't feel like repeating anything I've already said in hopes that some nutjob who thinks that I'm just some kind of Micheal Crichton strawman villain will actually understand it, I'll only address this comment.
munky99999 wrote:
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Blind faith is always misplaced.
This is your sig and I find it funny because you basically have blind faith in the scientists. The first thing you learn about science is that you should question them. That's what science is all about. I question their science and as far as I can see... I was right to.
So I have blind faith in the scientists... I believe I have heard this before... A lot before, actually. Who keeps saying it? Oh yeah, the creationists.
Saying I have blind faith in the scientists has got to be one of the most twisted applications of the phrase "blind faith" ever. Blind faith is exactly what it says on the can. It is faith with absolutely no justification. So you're saying that I just believe the scientists for no discernable reason at all. If that's not what you meant, well, it's what you fucking said.
Let's think about this for a second... Do I have any reason to believe scientists? Those loons said that CFCs caused the ozone layer to degenerate. They said smog was bad for people's lungs. They said that DDT harmed many species because of some kind of voodoo "biological magnification."
Wait..
CFCs did cause the ozone layer to thin, and they created an outright hole over Antarctica. Smog is bad for people's lungs. DDT nearly caused bald eagles to go extinct. The scientists were right on all these. Sure, there's been things like the "ice age" scare in the sixties and seventies. But it's an entirely different situation now. People then were looking at how the earth had been on a cooling trend- for thirty years. Now they study carbon dioxide levels over the last 800,000 years, they look at temperature changes over the same time, they do all kind of studies to find correlations and causations. It is far more than just a "there's more carbon dioxide and it's warmer" thing.
Of course, it could be wrong. Still I believe the scientists. So is that blind faith? Absolutely not. It is faith, but it's the same kind of faith that makes me think that if I drop something, it will accelerate towards the earth's center at 9.8 meters per second.
And of course, some random person who thinks that if only removed every regulation on the free market, everything would be just peachy, accuses me of blind faith. Introspection, apparently, is rarer than I had thought. _________________ Blind faith is always misplaced.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:
runlikehell wrote:
It is faith, but it's the same kind of faith that makes me think that if I drop something, it will accelerate towards the earth's center at 9.8 meters per second.
Chris, aka Todangst, used to call your kind of faith contingent (based upon valid evidence and reason). Personally, I don't like the term faith at all. It's a word often used to describe religious beliefs that I'd sooner distance myself from. _________________ Atheism... Evolving beyond superstition
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject:
MockingGods wrote:
runlikehell wrote:
It is faith, but it's the same kind of faith that makes me think that if I drop something, it will accelerate towards the earth's center at 9.8 meters per second.
Chris, aka Todangst, used to call your kind of faith contingent (based upon valid evidence and reason). Personally, I don't like the term faith at all. It's a word often used to describe religious beliefs that I'd sooner distance myself from.
There are 3 definitions for faith, and they're often used interchangeably in argumentation.
1. Belief WITH evidence.
"I have faith that my plane will land safely at its destination."
2. Belief WITHOUT evidence.
"I have faith that the universe is eternal."
3. Belief AGAINST evidence.
"I have faith that Earth is flat."
I have "faith" (type #1) in the scientific process.
A theist may hear that and say, "HA, you have 'faith' (type #2 at best, but usually #3) just like me! Science is your religion!" _________________ Namaste,
CET
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:15 am Post subject:
CET wrote:
MockingGods wrote:
runlikehell wrote:
It is faith, but it's the same kind of faith that makes me think that if I drop something, it will accelerate towards the earth's center at 9.8 meters per second.
Chris, aka Todangst, used to call your kind of faith contingent (based upon valid evidence and reason). Personally, I don't like the term faith at all. It's a word often used to describe religious beliefs that I'd sooner distance myself from.
There are 3 definitions for faith, and they're often used interchangeably in argumentation.
1. Belief WITH evidence.
"I have faith that my plane will land safely at its destination."
2. Belief WITHOUT evidence.
"I have faith that the universe is eternal."
3. Belief AGAINST evidence.
"I have faith that Earth is flat."
I have "faith" (type #1) in the scientific process.
A theist may hear that and say, "HA, you have 'faith' (type #2 at best, but usually #3) just like me! Science is your religion!"
Yes... good points.
1. would be contingent faith
2. would be non-contingent faith
3. Not sure I’d exactly call this a type of faith, more like denial. _________________ Atheism... Evolving beyond superstition
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:43 am Post subject:
Hmmm this thread was pulled out of the darkness.
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So I have blind faith in the scientists... I believe I have heard this before... A lot before, actually. Who keeps saying it? Oh yeah, the creationists.
Yes you basically confirmed it yourself. You know absolutely nothing about global warming and the facts behind it.... yet your final say is that you believe whatever the scientists believe.
You clearly didnt know some pretty basic facts. Where you plainly said "well I think or believe you might be wrong"
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Saying I have blind faith in the scientists has got to be one of the most twisted applications of the phrase "blind faith" ever.
Do you even realize what blind faith is.
It's when you just plainly believe something without understanding anything about it. Rather then simply say "I dont know, I havent studied it, I will venture to learn about this topic; I will then make my own opinion after studying the cold hard facts.
If someone has blind faith, for example in their religion or in an authority, they believe what they are told without ever doubting or questioning it. This concept is discussed in the article on faith.
You havent doubted or questioned the scientists. They say global warming and you say. "Yes sir, absolutely sir."
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Blind faith is exactly what it says on the can. It is faith with absolutely no justification. So you're saying that I just believe the scientists for no discernable reason at all. If that's not what you meant, well, it's what you fucking said.
YEs and we have established this fact on a number of occasions here where you simply dont know the basics of global warming. You obviously havent studied global warming much, IF at all. You thusly then have no reason to believe global warming is real.
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Let's think about this for a second... Do I have any reason to believe scientists? Those loons said that CFCs caused the ozone layer to degenerate. They said smog was bad for people's lungs. They said that DDT harmed many species because of some kind of voodoo "biological magnification."
All things that you again probably believe based on blind faith. The reality is that you can go and find the data that proves those things are true.
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Of course, it could be wrong. Still I believe the scientists. So is that blind faith? Absolutely not. It is faith, but it's the same kind of faith that makes me think that if I drop something, it will accelerate towards the earth's center at 9.8 meters per second.
That is not the same faith. You wish it was because you dont want to spend time studying the topic.
You can name a dozen places where scientists were right... but you can in turn point to a dozen places where scientists were wrong. I'm sorry but track record isnt enough. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:50 am Post subject:
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And of course, some random person who thinks that if only removed every regulation on the free market, everything would be just peachy, accuses me of blind faith. Introspection, apparently, is rarer than I had thought.
huh... I dont know where you get this from. I am certainly not of the opinion as this.
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Chris, aka Todangst, used to call your kind of faith contingent (based upon valid evidence and reason). Personally, I don't like the term faith at all. It's a word often used to describe religious beliefs that I'd sooner distance myself from.
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There are 3 definitions for faith, and they're often used interchangeably in argumentation.
This is meaningless. We have established that he knows very little about global warming. Meaning he has no evidence. The only reason he believes in global warming is because scientists say so. Scientists being right or wrong or having a good record means nothing.
Blind faith is when you believe some person or group without evidence. That person or group may or may not have evidence. However as long as you dont have any evidence... it is blind.
If you dont have evidence... it is legit to simply say... "I dont know" _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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