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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Question for atheists Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would not waste my time reading the bible, no more than I would read the qur'an...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Question for atheists Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide?

i would recommending reading it.

true or not, it has a marked effect on the world in which we live. to read the hate and insanity in that book is to be better prepared against it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Question for atheists Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide?


you cant, it doesnt make sense without a belief in god

i wouldnt recommend reading it, its boring and ridiculous
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The Bible: it's not for everybody, though it sure tries to be!

Well, it depends on motivation, I guess. I read the Bible the first time because my pastor and others told me to, since I'd find the answers to my questions there. I didn't actually, but after I'd read it cover to cover, I no longer held any faith in it. Since then I've read it through twice more, and studied it a good bit, as well. My motivation was to use it as ammunition to argue against Bible literalists and other Christians who take it very seriously. It can be read as literature, I suppose, but much of it's not very good in that respect.

It does get good, IMO, when it comes to the book of Ecclesiastes. I don't know how much it did to influence my worldview, but I do believe that all is vanity, ultimately futile and meaningless. So we shouldn't stress so much over our triumphs and failures, but instead just enjoy them while we can.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would definitely recommend it. Biblical references are everywhere in our culture to the point that you miss entire aspects of literature by missing it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

"The Bible is the best proof against Christianity out there."

Someone here posted that quote.

I believe to really understand why someone believes in god(s), you need to understand what their religion is about.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Question for atheists Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Moloth wrote:
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Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide?

i would recommending reading it.

true or not, it has a marked effect on the world in which we live. to read the hate and insanity in that book is to be better prepared against it.

Hear, hear. In order to effectively engage one's foe, one must learn his tactics and understand his mindset. To use a sports analogy, the bible is pretty much the other team's playbook. Learn your opponent's gameplan and you are always one step ahead of him.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I've read it as a kid in my after school bible study, and have yet to read it again as an atheist,
though I've spoken for hours with others on many on the contradictions. I think it is reading it as a whole would be worth it. Think of it as a mythology read so that it's not so frustrating to know people believe that crap.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

To read it and try to harvest morals from it would be a grand waste of time. Instead, skim over it to get a feel for what you're arguing against - actually reading and knowing what's in the Bible is the most effective way to argue against it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Question for atheists Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide?


Read it with a good guide. The Oxford Annotated Bible is the version we used in college and it provides an abundance of interesting background material that clarifies the cultural context of the material. The OAB gives introductions before the books and then provides extensive annotations. It's definitely worth the investment if you're going to have a bible around.

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Augmented-Revised-Standard/dp/0195288807/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217121836&sr=8-1
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Question for atheists Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide?


I would recommend reading it, with a companion guide, just so you know where Christians are coming from. But it is a very hard read. I never finished the Old Testament.

As to a moral guide, it is an aweful moral guide. Jesus advocated giving away all your stuff to the poor and was not against slavery.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I read the Bible because I had no choice,being a catholic child at the time.

Not something I would recommend for pleasure or to gain knowledge or understanding.

You may get the impression that may believers are even worse than you thought before reading their book. Have glance at Leviticus;that also gives the lie to the literalists.

Having said that ,I must admit I rather like "the Song Of Solomon"; it's quite erotic.

I read The Quran whilst I was at University as background for a paper I was doing. All I'll say is that it's a lot shorter than the bible,and that I was very grateful at the time..
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Question for atheists Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide?

i would recommending reading it.

true or not, it has a marked effect on the world in which we live. to read the hate and insanity in that book is to be better prepared against it.


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