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Eyedunno
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| Also in agreement with HBA. Let the people have their fun, assholes; it's not hurting you or your ad revenue (not that ad revenue should ever be an excuse to limit freedoms; I'm just saying that it doesn't make any sense even from that angle). |
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SteveInSF
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| Eyedunno wrote: | | Also in agreement with HBA. Let the people have their fun, assholes; it's not hurting you or your ad revenue (not that ad revenue should ever be an excuse to limit freedoms; I'm just saying that it doesn't make any sense even from that angle). |
First off, the point here is not to change the rules because its a church. I commend the NFL for treating everyone the same.
Second, revunue is a great excuse to limit freedoms, such as the freedom to rob a liquor store or the freedom to beat someone's ass and take their wallet. Any economic system has to put controls in place so that people can keep what they have earned. Otherwise, why would you earn anything? |
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hillbillyatheist
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| the pastor of that church wrote: | | We regret to inform you that we have had to cancel our bash to view the Colts game this Sunday in a family friendly environment due to the fact that the NFL believes we would be in violation of the Copyright Act, because we had planned to show the game on a screen bigger than a 55 inch diagonal. We have appealed to their legal counsel and exhausted all options without success. We have been informed that the only exceptions to view the game are given to sports bars and restaurants. While we have argued that we only intend to provide a family oriented environment that will make no profit from the showing, the NFL claims that our event cannot proceed by law. Therefore, we have no choice but to challenge this in court or cancel the event. We choose to cancel the event. We deeply regret that we have been prohibited by the NFL from providing a family friendly environment for celebrating the Colts great season. |
http://www.fallcreekbaptist.com/
so IOW, bars and restaurants can show the game, but the church cannot?
dude the NFL is not treating the church fair, they are screwing them over. if they were keeping the rules the same for all, then they would either be shutting down bars and restaurants who show the game, (i would oppose that of course) or allowing the church to proceed.
so how is the church taking revenue, that bars and restaurants aren't?
this is totally unfair. I hope this totally backfires on the NFL.
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SteveInSF
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Bars and restaurants that regularly show football games are a big part of the NFL's regular season revenue. The bar that I go to on Sunday (my church) pays over $2,000 a season in licensing fees to be able to show the games. When you pay for the license, you pay for the whole season including the playoffs and the superbowl. The 'Sports Bar and/or Grill' is a big part of all sports here in the US and elsewhere. The churches are being treated as any individual or organization that didn't show sports on a regular basis.
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | this is totally unfair. I hope this totally backfires on the NFL. |
Unfortunately, I doubt one or two congregations not watching the Super Bowl together will have much impact on the NFL. I think there are enough rabid football fans that no matter what the publicity, they're still going to watch their team.
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SteveInSF I am a capitalist too, but I guess, i am a liberal, because I don't feel bad when a billionaire fat cat loses a few pennies. (though I still fail to see how that is happening here)
I don't think bars should have to pay to watch a ball-game, that is on TV for free. but at the very least the NFL could have simply asked the church to pay a small fee for the right to have a party, but they apparently didn't. they just demanded it to be shut down. (though I will say again, I don't see why people should have to pay get together and watch a football game, that is on the TV for free anyway.)
as a mentioned, regarding loss of revenue, churches have been having these kind of parties for years. ( went to one at my old church back when i was a christian) the NFL has not going broke yet. corporations these days are just getting worse and worse about all of this copyright crap.
I see a group of people that just wanted to get together for the game, and getting slapped down by a bunch of greedy fat cats looking to squeeze every dime they can out of people, and going so overboard with copyright protectionism that it borders on infringing on freedom of speech and freedom of a groups right to congregate.
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hillbillyatheist
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| physik wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | this is totally unfair. I hope this totally backfires on the NFL. |
Unfortunately, I doubt one or two congregations not watching the Super Bowl together will have much impact on the NFL. I think there are enough rabid football fans that no matter what the publicity, they're still going to watch their team. |
there might be enough people pissed off people to reduce the revenue, though yeah rabid fans will never boycott, that is true. |
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Eyedunno
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| SteveInSF wrote: | | Eyedunno wrote: | | Also in agreement with HBA. Let the people have their fun, assholes; it's not hurting you or your ad revenue (not that ad revenue should ever be an excuse to limit freedoms; I'm just saying that it doesn't make any sense even from that angle). |
First off, the point here is not to change the rules because its a church. I commend the NFL for treating everyone the same. |
I'm a fuckin' atheist, so why on earth would I be arguing for the NFL to treat churches differently? If it were a local Lions Club or something doing the same thing, it would be exactly the same.
| SteveInSF wrote: | | Second, revunue is a great excuse to limit freedoms, such as the freedom to rob a liquor store or the freedom to beat someone's ass and take their wallet. Any economic system has to put controls in place so that people can keep what they have earned. Otherwise, why would you earn anything? |
I find this comment utterly flabbergasting. You're completely missing the point of why robbery and battery are illegal. It's not because they hurt revenue, but because they're violations of individual rights to life, liberty, and property. And actually, neither example you gave even hurts revenue; they simply appropriate revenue already earned to the pockets of theives.
| SteveInSF wrote: | | Bars and restaurants that regularly show football games are a big part of the NFL's regular season revenue. The bar that I go to on Sunday (my church) pays over $2,000 a season in licensing fees to be able to show the games. When you pay for the license, you pay for the whole season including the playoffs and the superbowl. The 'Sports Bar and/or Grill' is a big part of all sports here in the US and elsewhere. The churches are being treated as any individual or organization that didn't show sports on a regular basis. |
And that's bullshit too. You shouldn't have to pay licensing fees for the public airwaves. What if a customer at a bar that doesn't pay licensing fees brings in a portable TV and five or six people sit behind him and watch the Super Bowl? Where exactly does this insanity break down? All this amounts to is the NFL using teams of lawyers to extort money and safeguard its existing extortion scam, and it follows a bigger trend of companies using increasingly generous "intellectual property" standards in more and more radical ways to fuck the public. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | the pastor of that church wrote: | | We regret to inform you that we have had to cancel our bash to view the Colts game this Sunday in a family friendly environment due to the fact that the NFL believes we would be in violation of the Copyright Act, because we had planned to show the game on a screen bigger than a 55 inch diagonal. We have appealed to their legal counsel and exhausted all options without success. We have been informed that the only exceptions to view the game are given to sports bars and restaurants. While we have argued that we only intend to provide a family oriented environment that will make no profit from the showing, the NFL claims that our event cannot proceed by law. Therefore, we have no choice but to challenge this in court or cancel the event. We choose to cancel the event. We deeply regret that we have been prohibited by the NFL from providing a family friendly environment for celebrating the Colts great season. |
http://www.fallcreekbaptist.com/
so IOW, bars and restaurants can show the game, but the church cannot?
dude the NFL is not treating the church fair, they are screwing them over. if they were keeping the rules the same for all, then they would either be shutting down bars and restaurants who show the game, (i would oppose that of course) or allowing the church to proceed.
so how is the church taking revenue, that bars and restaurants aren't?
this is totally unfair. I hope this totally backfires on the NFL.
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How much beer can you sell at a church Superbowl party?
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| CET wrote: | | How much beer can you sell at a church Superbowl party? |
the church I went too as a kid are prohibitionists so in our case, none.  |
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wOW... Did anyone notice Billy Joel's dad singing the national anthem? I had no idea such talent ran in the family. He looks damn good for a man his age. Too bad they couldn't get Billy...but I think the elder Mr Joel did the family proud, no?
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I was just really shocked to see Whitley from A Different World performing at half time. Who knew she could sing like that?
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Eyedunno
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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You bastards. I didn't watch the Super Bowl, and I actually looked this stuff up to check up on Billy Joel's dad and Whitley.
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| Mr_C wrote: | Oh, and "Happy Birthday" is public domain, but I heard of a case about this a few years ago in which people tried to collect royalties  |
Actually, "Happy Birthday" isn't public domain which is why you rarely hear it being sung on TV or in movies. It's rare appearances though, do produce a fairly hefty sum for it's owner according to the following article (which btw, also debunks the common myth that Sir Paul McCartney is the owner of the copyright...):
http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp
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Wassup funktbone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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