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Wickedtruth Forum Master

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Gilligan wrote: |
How do you know atheism isn't "infectious material" ? |
The fuck? |
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xena Forum Master


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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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What a stupid question.
Gilligan said
''How do you know atheism isn't "infectious material" ?
What material??? |
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RyanDzundza Sock Puppet

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Gilligan wrote: | | How do you know atheism isn't "infectious material" ? |
the only thing you need to be an atheist is a lack of a belief in god, there is no atheist material,
there is science materials though, but that isnt anything to do with atheism, plus, science isnt propaganda, its how we understand the universe and such _________________
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hillbillyatheist Administrator


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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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JOBAfunky just called christianity "infectious material" and Gilligan is clearly just turning JOBAfunky's words back on him.
so I say give him a break on that one.
that said, the self righteousness of Christians and the way many of them feel persecuted if they aren't allowed to impose their beliefs on the rest of is is very annoying.
its not an illness though. its just a smug attitude and a false opinion. |
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RyanDzundza Sock Puppet

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | JOBAfunky just called christianity "infectious material" and Gilligan is clearly just turning JOBAfunky's words back on him. |
that not really much of an argument though is it,
it sort of reminds me of children arguing,
'your a dick'
'no you are'
and so on _________________
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Tornado_Creator Royal Citizen


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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | JOBAfunky just called christianity "infectious material" and Gilligan is clearly just turning JOBAfunky's words back on him.
so I say give him a break on that one.
that said, the self righteousness of Christians and the way many of them feel persecuted if they aren't allowed to impose their beliefs on the rest of is is very annoying.
its not an illness though. its just a smug attitude and a false opinion. |
I would personally disagree. I say Christianity is exactly that, an illness. Theism is nothing more than an adult with an imaginary friend and according to the wikipedia page,
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The development of imaginary friends by a person does not alone necessarily signify a problem or disorder.[2][3] According to the DSM-IV, imaginary friends are classified as a psychological disorder only if they interfere with everyday social interactions[citation needed]. It could possibly be a solution to feeling lonely.
According to some theories of psychology[citation needed], an understanding of a child's conversations with their imaginary friends can reveal a lot about the anxieties and fears of that child as well as the child's aspirations and perception of the world. Some children[weasel words] report that their "imaginary friends" manifest themselves physically, and are indistinguishable from "real" people. |
I would say God and Jesus definitely counts as an imaginary friend that interferes with everyday social interactions. They certainly effect scientific understanding, racial identity, moral opinion and in extreme cases can spur people on to kill which I believe then makes it count as Schizophrenia as the voice/imaginary friend is now in control of your actions via excessive persuasion.
Theism = mental illness. _________________
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Wickedtruth Forum Master

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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I would personally disagree. I say Christianity is exactly that, an illness. Theism is nothing more than an adult with an imaginary friend and according to the wikipedia page,
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I'm not a Christian either, but your attitude is very harsh. A guy with an IQ of like 180+ should know better than to condemn other's for differing views? |
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cryptid Visitor

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: |
I would personally disagree. I say Christianity is exactly that, an illness. Theism is nothing more than an adult with an imaginary friend and according to the wikipedia page,
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I'm not a Christian either, but your attitude is very harsh. A guy with an IQ of like 180+ should know better than to condemn other's for differing views? |
I do suppose it might sound harsh. But that's only because religion is granted special priveledge in being off limits to criticism. 'Differing views' would be something like domestic beer or imported, paper or plastic. Reasonable arguments can be made for either. There is NO evidence to support a belief in god, and I think people need to be called out on it. Either a) They say there is actualy evidence for a god, in which case they are wrong, and probably foolish, or b) they admitt they have no evidence and must make huge assertions on faith aone. Which is also foolish. My opinion. |
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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My parents were/are Jehovah's Witnesses (i didn't invent the possessive garbage, that's how they're taught to call themselves to seem more legit. They warn against members saying that they are "a jehovah's witness" instead they are told to say "I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses") they were NOTHING like the rest of the "congregation." They were secretly swingers who did things that would qualify them for excommunication(disfellowshipping as they call it) and people would often come around our house to "guide them."
They stopped going because my dad is a weakling who felt that they were all hypocrites. He still spouts the nonsense, but never professes that he was really just scared to keep going, maybe a fear of embarrassment when they finally cut him off from his family?
No clue...
I did not respect my parents, or the cult they tried to raise me in. I saw them as more than phonies. They were liars. They were hypocrites, they were and are cowards.
The religion itself taught me something though! Be scared of anyone who isn't like you, this will give you a happy and healthy social life (limited to about 30 people weekly and 3000 yearly)
Cults are shit. |
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Wickedtruth Forum Master

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="cryptid"[
I'm not a Christian either, but your attitude is very harsh. A guy with an IQ of like 180+ should know better than to condemn other's for differing views?[/quote]
There is NO evidence to support a belief in god, and I think people need to be called out on it. Either a) They say there is actualy evidence for a god, in which case they are wrong, and probably foolish, or b) they admitt they have no evidence and must make huge assertions on faith aone. Which is also foolish. My opinion.[/quote]
So what, I can worship anything I like! If my lamp gets bright I can call him god. Shush up :p |
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Gilligan wrote: | | JOBAfunky wrote: | | JBCuzISaidSo wrote: |
Pure hell. It's tough to have to attempt to explain your stance to deaf ears. Especially with my kids around who were about pounded with god-did-this-for-me stories all week long.
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I've had to take a firm stance with my parents about proselytizing and my children. My Father respects my request to leave our children's religious education to my wife and I but it seems like my mom can't control herself so I don't really leave them alone with her. Because if she still has to be watched like a hawk when she knows she's being watched how much worse would it be when she's unminded. I really do see religion as a mental disease and would rather not have my children exposed to infectious material before they have a chance to build up their resistance.(critical thinking skills) |
How do you know atheism isn't "infectious material" ? |
The same way that a scientist doesn't look for noncolds and nonaids when testing for diseases. As far as the idea that it's a mental disease , has some merit. (stop me if I pull too much from Snow Crash.) First, it has several vectors through which it spreads, and exposure by book, internet, oral, and TV. All have the potential to infect a person. Once exposed it takes hold to varying degrees, sometimes completely consuming the host and turning them into a disease bomb. In non complete cases the host still becomes a new vector by spreading it though one of the aforementioned ways. Second, like a disease it is a detriment to it's host, potentially in a variety of ways. Third, an immunity can be built up to it. Those that have come down with a full blown case and then gotten over it have shown immunity. As have people who have been inoculated by a series of small exposures, eg: seeing a Fred Phelps demonstration may make you want to wash your hands of his belief system, figuratively speeking. Some people have a natural resistance and some people are more susceptible.
Why can't atheism be looked at in the same way? The same reason that not having a cold isn't contagious. Atheism is the lack of something, Like a stock new car with no accessories. Atheism is like the no accessories part, all cars start out that way. Just like all people start out with no religion. Religion is an add on. Like an undercarriage coating, it costs a lot and doesn't do you as much good as the person selling it seems to claim. _________________ <---------(Died for my sins?!...no he kicked ass for my sins)
Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage. (Anais Nin)
Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers. (http://www.evolvefish.com/)
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jaycorath Laziness Personified

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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My mom is very religious... she clings to it. She needs it for emotional reasons. Its kind of interesting though, aside from religion she's a real tough cookie in all respects
My dad... well, he's devout and stuff, but me and my brother both agree that he's mostly in it because its so important to my mom. He's more what I'd call a cultural christian or a "classic" protestant (ie, goes to church, believes in god, tries his best to be a good person, and otherwise seems to ignore religion altogether).
There seems to be a lot of religious people who, as Dr. Price often says, just want the insurance policy. Once they know/think they're going to heaven, they don't really care about the rest of it.
I don't think they're hypocrits. _________________ "There's a new sheriff in town, and he's dedicated to fiscal discipline"
-Ari Fleischer, of Pres. Bush, 10/18/2002
"I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to" -George Carlin
Celebrant: Forgive us, Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying.
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cryptid Visitor

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | [quote="cryptid"[
I'm not a Christian either, but your attitude is very harsh. A guy with an IQ of like 180+ should know better than to condemn other's for differing views? |
There is NO evidence to support a belief in god, and I think people need to be called out on it. Either a) They say there is actualy evidence for a god, in which case they are wrong, and probably foolish, or b) they admitt they have no evidence and must make huge assertions on faith aone. Which is also foolish. My opinion.[/quote]
So what, I can worship anything I like! If my lamp gets bright I can call him god. Shush up :p[/quote]
Hehe, just my point! =P You can freely believe anything you want. But I think I should be able to call you out on the basis for which you believe something if the reasoning behind it is faulty or nonexistant. Let nothing escape scrutiny WAAAAAAAAGH!!!. Sorry I had a warhammer moment there. =) |
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | JOBAfunky just called christianity "infectious material" and Gilligan is clearly just turning JOBAfunky's words back on him.
so I say give him a break on that one. |
Well, except for the "so's your old man" level of the argument, I agree with giving him a break.
| hillbillyatheist wrote: | that said, the self righteousness of Christians and the way many of them feel persecuted if they aren't allowed to impose their beliefs on the rest of is is very annoying.
its not an illness though. its just a smug attitude and a false opinion. |
Really agree with this as well but I was wondering if an opinion can be false as opposed to merely weird, say. Particularly a religious opinion, given the ultimate unknowability of the whole thing? |
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | JOBAfunky just called christianity "infectious material" and Gilligan is clearly just turning JOBAfunky's words back on him.
so I say give him a break on that one. |
Well, except for the "so's your old man" level of the argument, I agree with giving him a break.
| hillbillyatheist wrote: | that said, the self righteousness of Christians and the way many of them feel persecuted if they aren't allowed to impose their beliefs on the rest of is is very annoying.
its not an illness though. its just a smug attitude and a false opinion. |
Really agree with this as well but I was wondering if an opinion can be false as opposed to merely weird, say. Particularly a religious opinion, given the ultimate unknowability of the whole thing? |
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