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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Question to atheists who were raised in Christian homes? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Gilligan wrote:
Did you believe that your parents were phony because of their imperfections ?


My parents were only token Christians, or basic very nominal Christians. So, I guess I'm not the best person to answer this. But, in general, someone being wrong or imperfect does not equate to being phony.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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I consider my theistic relatives to be emotionally weak, intellectually retarded and easily deluded the same as any other theist... the difference is it actually upsets me that my relatives are like that, it's heart-wrenching. It's like finding out a relative has just had a stroke and now he's a blithering idiot.


Yet you yourself are easily provoked and infuriated by statements and people which disrupt the delicate balance of your emotions, under the delusions of grandeur and mental superiority for but what a simple belief and devaluing theistic and dissenting opinions and persons because of a superiority complex which is severely unwarranted.

I guess atheist or theist, it runs in the family eh?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hypocrite? Dad? Absolutely

But I also think my rabidly Irish-catholic father was completely sincere in his beliefs , but would have been an arsehole no matter what the believed.

My mum is strong catholic. She is a kind,accepting person, and always has been.


As an adult I came to realise hypocrisy is part of the human condition. It is also my perception that children often judge their parents harshly and unjustly..

I've met few people who seem to be professional hypocrites,apart from the odd politician and other members of the criminal classes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Question to atheists who were raised in Christian homes? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Did you believe that your parents were phony because of their imperfections ?


Well I'm not from a Christian home per se, but my father is a devout catholic (whilst my mother is an atheist). I didn't think my dad was phony just a REALLY big hypocrite.

Isn't a "REALLY big hypocrite" a phony?


maybe.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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She brings it up all the time. Mainly, it's about her being a better mother I guess? She just left here after a week visit and I handed her the copy of 'Parenting Beyond Belief-Raising Children Without Religion' I bought for her. Woops, it made her so sad to see the title. She tried to give it back but I refused. Laughing She then said her hope for the week wasn't realized and on prodding she just said "I wish we believed the same thing is all." (add sniffle for effect)

I can't call it disrespectful to my beliefs I suppose but she simply isn't getting it. We argued religion a few times within the week and her hubby actually followed me around the house witnessing--see evolution is all wrong and made up for most part, that's why he found god lulz.

Pure hell. It's tough to have to attempt to explain your stance to deaf ears. Especially with my kids around who were about pounded with god-did-this-for-me stories all week long. Evil or Very Mad

I leave it as out of my control and not my problem that they can't deal with my stance. I'm dealing with it just fine!

Just tell her shes being a great mother...make her realize theres nothing wrong with what you believe.

Different beliefs are wonderful, they make the world go round Smile

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Good luck sir!


A roundabout slam is to compliment her on her raising a critical thinker.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dawkadoodle wrote:
Tornado_Creator wrote:
I consider my theistic relatives to be emotionally weak, intellectually retarded and easily deluded the same as any other theist... the difference is it actually upsets me that my relatives are like that, it's heart-wrenching. It's like finding out a relative has just had a stroke and now he's a blithering idiot.


Yet you yourself are easily provoked and infuriated by statements and people which disrupt the delicate balance of your emotions, under the delusions of grandeur and mental superiority for but what a simple belief and devaluing theistic and dissenting opinions and persons because of a superiority complex which is severely unwarranted.

I guess atheist or theist, it runs in the family eh?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dawkadoodle wrote:
Tornado_Creator wrote:
I consider my theistic relatives to be emotionally weak, intellectually retarded and easily deluded the same as any other theist... the difference is it actually upsets me that my relatives are like that, it's heart-wrenching. It's like finding out a relative has just had a stroke and now he's a blithering idiot.


Yet you yourself are easily provoked and infuriated by statements and people which disrupt the delicate balance of your emotions, under the delusions of grandeur and mental superiority for but what a simple belief and devaluing theistic and dissenting opinions and persons because of a superiority complex which is severely unwarranted.

I guess atheist or theist, it runs in the family eh?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Moloth wrote:
Dawkadoodle wrote:
Tornado_Creator wrote:
I consider my theistic relatives to be emotionally weak, intellectually retarded and easily deluded the same as any other theist... the difference is it actually upsets me that my relatives are like that, it's heart-wrenching. It's like finding out a relative has just had a stroke and now he's a blithering idiot.


Yet you yourself are easily provoked and infuriated by statements and people which disrupt the delicate balance of your emotions, under the delusions of grandeur and mental superiority for but what a simple belief and devaluing theistic and dissenting opinions and persons because of a superiority complex which is severely unwarranted.

I guess atheist or theist, it runs in the family eh?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: Question to atheists who were raised in Christian homes? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Did you believe that your parents were phony because of their imperfections ?


Yeah, to a certain extent. I have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely believes in god, I always strongly feel that on some level pushed deep into their subconscious, they must know it's a load of shit.

Aside from this though, it did make me lose respect for alot of things they said, parents to me are supposed to teach you about the world, I felt like there was nothing I really needed to learn from them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My dad wasn't much of a Christian until mom got cancer. Now he's a die-hard, born-again, kool-aid drinking type. Fortunately, he's not one to push it on me or my kids.

Mom was devout as long as I can remember. In fact, her last spoken words were "Lord, please heal me or take me now." She died just a few days later without regaining consciousness. Funny part is, she had two Christian kids and one un-believer kid. Guess who was her favorite! It pisses my brothers off to no extent that I was the favorite even though they went to church with her and I blew it off. Twisted Evil

I never believed mom was a phony in her beliefs (Seventh Day Adventist), though I could never really understand the whole concept of the sky-daddy. She was utterly devout to the end.

I did the belief out of fear thing for a while while I was young, then mouthed the words for a while but eventually gave it up as a bad job. Surprisingly, mom and I were even closer after I "lost my faith" than before. Maybe it's because she thought she needed to be as close a possible now since I wouldn't be going to heaven
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

JBCuzISaidSo wrote:
No, I believe(d) my mother and family to be deluded on a deep level but nowhere close to phony about it. They absolutely believe what they're spouting.


Same here. Though I'm not absolutely certain about my father, he doesn't really talk much.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Pure hell. It's tough to have to attempt to explain your stance to deaf ears. Especially with my kids around who were about pounded with god-did-this-for-me stories all week long. Evil or Very Mad


I've had to take a firm stance with my parents about proselytizing and my children. My Father respects my request to leave our children's religious education to my wife and I but it seems like my mom can't control herself so I don't really leave them alone with her. Because if she still has to be watched like a hawk when she knows she's being watched how much worse would it be when she's unminded. I really do see religion as a mental disease and would rather not have my children exposed to infectious material before they have a chance to build up their resistance.(critical thinking skills)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Question to atheists who were raised in Christian homes? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Gilligan wrote:
Did you believe that your parents were phony because of their imperfections ?


First of all I take umbrage at the suggestion that my Dad is imperfect. That's utter nonsense. As for my mother's imperfections, I don't believe she could help those and therefore falls into the "more to be pitied than censured" category. In any case, perfect or imperfect, I believe both are absolutely sincere in what they believe and in walking their talk.

Would love to know what on earth this has to do with either Xtianity or atheism.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well, when I was really young, we didn't go to church much. I remember going to Sunday School and doing little arts-and-crafts projects--I think I still have some of them in my baby book. Laughing--but it wasn't really a big deal until I was 13 and we moved out of the city to be closer to our relatives several years after my dad died. My relatives are super-religious and we (my mom and I; my older brother had joined the Navy) got caught up in it and went to church all the time. I don't look at it as being phony, just a case of being misled and gullible at the time. As for being imperfect, well, who isn't? Parents do the best they can and it isn't always perfect or even right, but you can't fault them for that (unless they're truly abusive, drunk, etc.).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Pure hell. It's tough to have to attempt to explain your stance to deaf ears. Especially with my kids around who were about pounded with god-did-this-for-me stories all week long. Evil or Very Mad


I've had to take a firm stance with my parents about proselytizing and my children. My Father respects my request to leave our children's religious education to my wife and I but it seems like my mom can't control herself so I don't really leave them alone with her. Because if she still has to be watched like a hawk when she knows she's being watched how much worse would it be when she's unminded. I really do see religion as a mental disease and would rather not have my children exposed to infectious material before they have a chance to build up their resistance.(critical thinking skills)


How do you know atheism isn't "infectious material" ?
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