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SteveInSF
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| ShaSha wrote: | | SteveInSF wrote: |
Have you been 'connected to spirit'?
It must be an amazing experience...... |
Yes. And it is sometimes amazing and mostly just fun. |
Bonafide 'Spirit Connector'.
Should we believe that?
Does anyone reading that believe that?
If I told you that I could talk to my dog, would you think I was lying, crazy or correct?
Now, you may say it doesn't matter if I believe you, but it does matter. Every argument you pose is supported by an assertion I do not accept. It is akin to showing me a mathematical proof based upon the assumption that 2=1. Why would I even bother with the rest of the proof.
Why would anyone take your claim seriously?
BTW - proof for 2=1 below
Let a and b be equal non-zero quantities
a = b
Multiply through by a
a2 = ab
Subtract b2
a2- b2 = ab - b2
Factor both sides
(a - b)(a + b) = b(a - b)
Divide out (a - b)
a + b = b
Observing that a = b
b + b = b
Combine like terms on the left
2b = b
Divide by the non-zero b
2 = 1 |
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aileron
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| SteveInSF wrote: |
BTW - proof for 2=1 below
Let a and b be equal non-zero quantities
a = b
Multiply through by a
a2 = ab
Subtract b2
a2- b2 = ab - b2
Factor both sides
(a - b)(a + b) = b(a - b)
Divide out (a - b)
a + b = b
Observing that a = b
b + b = b
Combine like terms on the left
2b = b
Divide by the non-zero b
2 = 1 |
Frick, man, that was driving me nuts for about 10 minutes. It's a subtle form of introducing an extraneous root -- very nice. |
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FlatEarth1024
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I can't believe we're going on 10 pages debating a little girl who thinks adult Jesus was Kenny Loggins and juvenile Jesus was Leif Garrett (Shaun Cassidy?). She is clearly touched by God....Sylvia Browne told me so.
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ShaSha
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| Ophis wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: | | Thanks Y25. I accept that it might appear as fantasy to you. Discoveries are made commonplace because somebody looked at the probably impossible and saw a possibility. |
There remains the small matter of evidence. Discoveries like the ones you mention are made because someone thought up a new idea and then went and found some evidence for it. It's only a discovery when they "discover" some evidence for it. It's not just a case of finding some bullshit and then believing it, you have to find some evidence for it. |
You are preaching to the choir here. I am so far ahead of you. Evidence is the reason it has taken 40 years of effort. If I wanted to just tout my discovery I could have written a book 35 years ago and made a mint from it. Don't assume you know everything, especially don't assume you know what I know or what I have experienced?
Yet, others may be the ones who finally perfect it. I don't care who does, I just know it will happen. |
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ShaSha
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| SteveInSF wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: | | SteveInSF wrote: |
Have you been 'connected to spirit'?
It must be an amazing experience...... |
Yes. And it is sometimes amazing and mostly just fun. |
Bonafide 'Spirit Connector'.
Should we believe that?
Does anyone reading that believe that?
If I told you that I could talk to my dog, would you think I was lying, crazy or correct?
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It's a given that all of us can talk to our dogs 
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Now, you may say it doesn't matter if I believe you, but it does matter. Every argument you pose is supported by an assertion I do not accept. It is akin to showing me a mathematical proof based upon the assumption that 2=1. Why would I even bother with the rest of the proof.
Why would anyone take your claim seriously?
BTW - proof for 2=1 below
Let a and b be equal non-zero quantities
a = b
Multiply through by a
a2 = ab
Subtract b2
a2- b2 = ab - b2
Factor both sides
(a - b)(a + b) = b(a - b)
Divide out (a - b)
a + b = b
Observing that a = b
b + b = b
Combine like terms on the left
2b = b
Divide by the non-zero b
2 = 1 |
Steve my concepts have nothing to do with believe me because I'm special. What I teach is believe the method long enough so that "you" can connect with spirit yourself and do your own testing and convincing of yourself. I am a promoter of self awareness and freedom from all gurus including myself and atheist ones
You asked for an answer and I gave you one. I am not here to convince you of anything about me. I am not here to give anybody my methodology. I am here to educate myself about atheists and have made friends during my 3 1/2 years here. So I hang around to see changes and now and then speak out such as this topic. |
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Uncertainty
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| I still have no idea what you meant by being educated in feelings and dreams. But regardless, it doesn't really matter because you know as well as the rest of us this girl isn't. |
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aileron
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| Uncertainty wrote: | | I still have no idea what you meant by being educated in feelings and dreams. |
Come now, please. I'm sure the University of Metaphysics offers a PhD program in feelings and dreams. Earning such a PhD, which is fully accredited by the International Metaphysical Ministeries would qualify you for membership in the American Metaphysical Doctor's Association (AMDA) (not to be confused with those whacky folks in the AMA or so-called "American Medical Association").
"Doctoral Degree recognition in the Holistic New Thought Metaphysical field can be crucial to gaining the public's trust and confidence for your immediate and long term professional success."
Well there you have it. I now have "trust and confidence" that because my feeling and dreams doctor is a member of the AMDA, she will be more than qualified to diagnose and treat whatever my future Holistic New Thought Medaphysical ailments may be. |
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SteveInSF
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ShaSha, what has your 'study' in the field of 'dreams' and your 'connection to spirit' given the world? What tangible benefit can you show to have come from this 'education'?
And you know I don't mean personal stories of 'hope' and 'connection' which I discount outright. After 40 years of study, what is it that you can do that will help humanity?
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Ophis
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| ShaSha wrote: | | Ophis wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: | | Thanks Y25. I accept that it might appear as fantasy to you. Discoveries are made commonplace because somebody looked at the probably impossible and saw a possibility. |
There remains the small matter of evidence. Discoveries like the ones you mention are made because someone thought up a new idea and then went and found some evidence for it. It's only a discovery when they "discover" some evidence for it. It's not just a case of finding some bullshit and then believing it, you have to find some evidence for it. |
You are preaching to the choir here. I am so far ahead of you. Evidence is the reason it has taken 40 years of effort. If I wanted to just tout my discovery I could have written a book 35 years ago and made a mint from it. Don't assume you know everything, especially don't assume you know what I know or what I have experienced?
Yet, others may be the ones who finally perfect it. I don't care who does, I just know it will happen. |
I don't assume I know everything. I especially don't assume that I know that something is going to be proven in the future despite the fact that I have bugger all evidence that it will.
You're still referring to "my discovery", despite not having actually presented anything more than a hypothesis. What led you to this discovery? Where's the evidence that you've spent 40 years researching? If there's some good, reproducible evidence for supernatural abilities then I want to see it. I'm not going to dogmatically dismiss the possibility, but until I see evidence for that possibility, I won't believe it, for exactly the same reason that I don't believe Elvis is alive or the world is being run by reptilian aliens.
All you've said so far is that I don't know what other people have seen. The "you never know" argument. Where's the damn evidence? For all I know everyone in the world but me could spend every midsummer's night dancing with the elves, because I don't know what other people have seen. It's true that I can't be certain about anything, but if you're going to make a claim and expect everyone to believe it then you should give us a reason to believe it rather than insult our intelligence with an argument from ignorance. |
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cheapsuprise
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| ShaSha wrote: | | cheapsuprise wrote: |
The religious aspect to her painting and life may be in the forefront publicity wise, but if her gallery is anything to go by, she seams to be equally interested in horses and dogs as she is Jesus. |
Glad you noticed that too
Very little of her art is religious though you could say her interpretation is spiritual with many of her paintings. |
Yes, I could say that, but no doubt many people consider there own bowl movements to be "spiritual" and who would dare to argue with there use of the word "spiritual" ?
If we are talking about REALITY, without the use of loaded words, then basically this girl paints Jesus sometimes and feels really good about it.
She could be painting the loch ness monster and feel a deep passion for cryptozoology. Same thing. |
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ShaSha
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| cheapsuprise wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: | | cheapsuprise wrote: |
The religious aspect to her painting and life may be in the forefront publicity wise, but if her gallery is anything to go by, she seams to be equally interested in horses and dogs as she is Jesus. |
Glad you noticed that too
Very little of her art is religious though you could say her interpretation is spiritual with many of her paintings. |
Yes, I could say that, but no doubt many people consider there own bowl movements to be "spiritual" and who would dare to argue with there use of the word "spiritual" ?
If we are talking about REALITY, without the use of loaded words, then basically this girl paints Jesus sometimes and feels really good about it.
She could be painting the loch ness monster and feel a deep passion for cryptozoology. Same thing. |
I should have reworded that. She brings the word god or the equivalent into many of her meanings about on why she painted something a certain way. All is said and done, I like a lot of her art, I wish her well but she doesn't need my well wishes Call it whatever you want. She is one lucky girl!!! |
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ShaSha
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| SteveInSF wrote: | ShaSha, what has your 'study' in the field of 'dreams' and your 'connection to spirit' given the world? What tangible benefit can you show to have come from this 'education'?
And you know I don't mean personal stories of 'hope' and 'connection' which I discount outright. After 40 years of study, what is it that you can do that will help humanity? |
Steve, why do I have to give the world anything? If I get published I guess you will be able to call that a contribution to the world but otherwise where did I claim that what I received was for the world? It was for me and to help improve my life. The tangible was a very happy and free life. I know what it is like to live a non connected life and I know what it is like to live a connected life. I have inspired many with previews of my books if that counts
What is wrong with hope? What is so great about despair and being angry and being fearful and non trusting of the world? Everything is easier when connected. Giving birth is easier so that is a nice practical reason to connect with god. Almost instant healing when a loved one dies is a very nice side benefit from connection. Knowing things that I couldn't possibly know is a fun benefit from being connected. Constant improvement of my sex life was another nice side benefit. Everything that is fun about being an atheist with the bonus of having eternal life. I call it heaven on earth.
Being able to enjoy another person's happiness whether it is the atheist who calls it good fortune or a theist who calls it god, is probably the greatest part of the connection. That I can love everybody and be inspired to hate nobody and forgive when I do dislike is a terrific reason to be connected. |
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cheapsuprise
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| ShaSha wrote: |
I should have reworded that. She brings the word god or the equivalent into many of her meanings about on why she painted something a certain way. |
I'm sorry. I don't really understand what you are saying.
| Quote: | | All is said and done, I like a lot of her art, I wish her well but she doesn't need my well wishes Call it whatever you want. She is one lucky girl!!! |
Well she is what she is. I wouldn't call her *lucky*, as that implies that her abilities are not her own doing.
I don't know if you caught what I said before, but IMO words like "talent", "gifted" and "lucky" are just euphemisms for:
"Don't get to uppity art-nigger!" |
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SteveInSF
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To cheapsuprise's point, nobody gets anywhere in life on luck alone. This little girl worked hard to be able to paint like she does. Phrases like 'god given talent' bother me when speaking about athletes, entertainers, etc. who have worked for hours and hours to get to where they are. And it doesn't help that when these hard working people recieve awards, they often thank 'The Lord' right off the bat. I would love for people to be respected for their work ethic and not for their 'gifts'.
ShaSha, I have asked what your type of 'thinking' has done for the world as a whole, and you have answered with hope and inspiration. Hope that they will live eternally and inspiration to believe that there is a 'spirit world' out there to help them. That and $1 will get you on the bus. I guess it is your right to waste your own time on this 'spiritual connection' nonsense. Humanity as a whole will get much farther in the universe based on the aforementioned hard work here in the real world.
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ShaSha
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| cheapsuprise wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: |
I should have reworded that. She brings the word god or the equivalent into many of her meanings about on why she painted something a certain way. |
I'm sorry. I don't really understand what you are saying.
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With each painting that I have seen so far, she has a narrative or poem. There she usually mentions god or the equivalent. |
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