Dawkins goes a tad overboard, again

MordsMordreas · Intern Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 37 Local time: 11:37 AM

But that is a lie. If it were that way, yes it would be an enormous string. Unconditional love. He will love you always because you are his creation. Even if you turn from him, he will still love you.

RyanDzundza · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:34 am Post subject:

MordsMordreas · Intern Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 37 Local time: 11:37 AM

Hate to tell you, bud, but love isn't a shield. God will forgive you for your sins, but he won't protect you from their consequences.

And what is this preoccupation with Heaven and Hell. If you ask, am I going to heaven or hell?, you're asking the wrong question. The real question you should be asking is, who is my God?

The point is not to get people into heaven, but heaven into people. --Rick Warren (paraphrased)

I get my information from God through the Bible.

Moloth · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject:

RyanDzundza · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject:

EvilEggCracker · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:54 am Post subject:

MordsMordreas · Intern Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 37 Local time: 11:37 AM

what exactly does this bring to the table

Look at it this way--if our lives were meant to be reflections of whether we're going to heaven or hell, then the Bible would be filled with more commandments and less love, more obligation and less compassion. Preoccupation with heaven and hell can only lead to religion, in my opinion (do this and you'll go to heaven, don't do it and you'll burn), which many people try to take advantage of to further their own agendas. Here's a truer taste of the life that Jesus invites us into, the words of Jesus from the Bible, Message Version, End of Matthew 11: "Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you'll recover your life. I'll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me, watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won't lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you'll learn to live freely and lightly."

RyanDzundza · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:14 am Post subject:

quoting the buy-bul around here isnt going to get you very far
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bladerunner · Visitor Joined: 07 Jul 2008 Posts: 9 Local time: 11:37 AM

Religion is not as I see it the main problem. Personally I see it as a delusion. We all however have our own delusions, they help us swallow bitter pills give us hope, whether or not hope is required. The problem as I see it are the practitioners. Tending generally to abdicate responsility for their own actions and said consequences. All in the name of the insubstantial. Consequently the religious are easily hijacked for political causes, just so long as the necessary tentative spiritual links are there. I fear it has always been that way. Believe what you want to believe, but don't force ill considered anachronistic thought patterns down my throat. Science may not be perfect but it is closer than blinkered inflexible religious faith.

cryptid · Visitor Joined: 13 Jul 2008 Posts: 12 Local time: 11:37 AM

[quote="actualrationalist"]Heres the Q & A session with Dawkins

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2037496.ece

"Do you consider parents forcing children to accept their religion a form of child abuse?"

Dawkins: "Yes. What would you think of parents who forced their children to accept their politics, or their taste in architecture? Have you ever heard anyone speak of a "Leninist child" or a "Postmodernist child"? Of course not. Why, then, do we all go along with "Christian child" and "Muslim child"? Such labelling of children with their parents' religion is child abuse."

that is definitely jumping the gun, parents teaching children their religion = Child Abuse? WTF. By force, I am assuming he is not talking about holding a gun to a childs head saying to accept jesus, rather the parent takes him/her to church. Its no different then passing the morals held from their family for generations or w/e.

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The only thing I regret about my parents is that they made me go to church. They instilled in me very early on that the only way I would go to 'heaven' is if I accepted 'Jesus Christ' as my personal lord and savior, and If I turned my back on that, I would spend eternity in hell.

Come to find out as an adult, I think it's all a crock of shit, but it kind of fucked me up psychologicaly. It took a while to get to the point where I can openly say things that previously I would only think due to the instilled fear of some blasphemey I could be committing. I think that is also one of the key reasons why christians cant let go - that ingrained fear of punishment or denial of 'heaven', even though they can rationalize that they probably don't exist. Plays on emotions. It's fucking wrong. Just being honest.

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ChrissyFos · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

Oculus Reparo!
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