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| infidel1 wrote: |
In any case the Jews have right for state not less than any nation and for that point not less than the Muslims. |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore.
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| kmisho wrote: |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore. |
Then they can't be any nations, then. |
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| emo samurai wrote: | | We should move the Jews to Montana. It's full of empty land, and it's over nine thousand times as fertile and expansive as the mother country ever could be. Or you could move them to Texas. That'll piss of the rednecks to no end, and the inevitable fascist garrison state could be used to keep out the Mexicans. |
No no no. You don't understand. The most important thing to both Jews and Arabs is possession of this rock. Look at it. If ever there was a rock worth shedding blood over, it's this one. It's the coolest rock ever!
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
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kmisho
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore. |
Then they can't be any nations, then. |
All I'm saying is that nations should not be based on the supposed types of people allowed to constitute them.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
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| kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore. |
Then they can't be any nations, then. |
All I'm saying is that nations should not be based on the supposed types of people allowed to constitute them. |
No what you said that nations shouldn't based on any human divisions, which would mean we'd have to remove the concepts of nations. If you meant something else, which of course you did, next time don't fuck up expressing it. |
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore. |
Then they can't be any nations, then. |
All I'm saying is that nations should not be based on the supposed types of people allowed to constitute them. |
No what you said that nations shouldn't based on any human divisions, which would mean we'd have to remove the concepts of nations. If you meant something else, which of course you did, next time don't fuck up expressing it. |
I said "supposed human divisions".
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
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John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
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Dawks troll-fu is weak today. 
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| kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore. |
Then they can't be any nations, then. |
All I'm saying is that nations should not be based on the supposed types of people allowed to constitute them. |
No what you said that nations shouldn't based on any human divisions, which would mean we'd have to remove the concepts of nations. If you meant something else, which of course you did, next time don't fuck up expressing it. |
I said "supposed human divisions". |
Ever nation is created upon "supposed" human divisions, don't ya know. |
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gnosis
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| Moloth wrote: | | Dawks troll-fu is weak today. |
Thanks Moloth, I was trying to think of something snarky to say but I wasn't able to muster sufficient snark. Looks like you've got enough to go around! 
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kmisho
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore. |
Then they can't be any nations, then. |
All I'm saying is that nations should not be based on the supposed types of people allowed to constitute them. |
No what you said that nations shouldn't based on any human divisions, which would mean we'd have to remove the concepts of nations. If you meant something else, which of course you did, next time don't fuck up expressing it. |
I said "supposed human divisions". |
Ever nation is created upon "supposed" human divisions, don't ya know. |
It need not be that way. Nothing about 'nations' requires it.
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K Michau
Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
"Never is a long time." Robert Fripp, 1998
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I'm sure you were referring to the fact that race is a sociological construct, correct kmisho?
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kmisho
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| gnosis wrote: | | I'm sure you were referring to the fact that race is a sociological construct, correct kmisho? |
Yes, but I was intending to include more than race.
To be honest, the only legitimate reason for the existence of nations in my opinion is to deal with structural issues that exist on that scale. I definitely do not accept the notion of national sovereignty, much less when soverignty is based in petty, traditional, fanciful divisions.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
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Moloth
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'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
... what part part of a man makes him a Jew?
(in before foreskin jokes)
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Dawkadoodle
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| kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | kmisho wrote: |
Which is precisely no right at all. It makes no sense to me to desire a nation for "jews" or "eskimos" or "ituru pygmys" or any other supposed human division. The very idea is inherently bigoted. Presumably jews couldn't be citizens of an eskimo country and vice versa (or you couldn't allow there to be too many of THE OTHER around) because then those countries wouldn't be jewish or eskimo anymore. |
Then they can't be any nations, then. |
All I'm saying is that nations should not be based on the supposed types of people allowed to constitute them. |
No what you said that nations shouldn't based on any human divisions, which would mean we'd have to remove the concepts of nations. If you meant something else, which of course you did, next time don't fuck up expressing it. |
I said "supposed human divisions". |
Ever nation is created upon "supposed" human divisions, don't ya know. |
It need not be that way. Nothing about 'nations' requires it. |
Maybe not in the future when society evolves, however, every nation currently is still built upon these divisions. |
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