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Dawkadoodle
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I don't see a credible source there. Secondly, I'm not promoting or arguing against the WHO's report. Nonetheless, they have quite the body of evidence that at the least, makes a credible case for their statements.
| Quote: | | Also, tattoos and piercings tend to be chosen willingly by the party involved. |
That depends on your culture.
| Quote: | | Circumcision isn't. They chopped off a piece of his body with probably no goo reason as to why. |
Aesthetic Value is a good reason. |
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SpecterOpacus
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | I don't see a credible source there. |
Dozens of references.
| Quote: | | Secondly, I'm not promoting or arguing against the WHO's report. |
I never stated that.
| Quote: | | Nonetheless, they have quite the body of evidence that at the least, makes a credible case for their statements. |
Well where the fuck does it say that? Where do they show that to us?
| Quote: | | That depends on your culture. |
I would say body modification against one's will that has no evidence to benefit the individual is abuse.
| Quote: | | Aesthetic Value is a good reason. |
I didn't realize children understood what aesthetics are, my apologies.
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Dawkadoodle
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SpecterOpacus
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | SpecterOpacus wrote: | | Dozens of references. |
And yet its still not an reputable academic source. |
Point.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | I never stated that. |
And I never stated that you did state that, so why bring it up? |
Why did you bring it up in the first place? Insurance?
These are the same things I always read. Most of them do not take into account cultural factors like uncircumsized penises being undesirable and etc.
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I would say body modification against one's will that has no evidence to benefit the individual is abuse. |
We weren't talking about werther this was abuse or not. |
I was.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | I didn't realize children understood what aesthetics are, my apologies. |
Well you are uncultured. |
And you're a big doo-doo head!
See, childish insults are easy to do.
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Dawkadoodle
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Why did you bring it up in the first place? Insurance?
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Preemptive strike.
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These are the same things I always read. Most of them do not take into account cultural factors like uncircumsized penises being undesirable and etc.
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So you've read the 110 so pages of the pdf files combined? Nonetheless, we can both agree that regardless of our opinions they do have credible arguments as exampled- which is all that I have really stated. Now who are you trying to convince with your statements though, me, or you yourself?
And yet its still irrelevant in this discussion, the one you started with me.
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And you're a big doo-doo head!
See, childish insults are easy to do. |
That's why I make classy insults. |
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SpecterOpacus
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Preemptive strike. |
Same thing.
| Quote: | | So you've read the 110 so pages of the pdf files combined? |
I read the table of contents to see where sections are and then see if they take such things into consideration.
I also look for other things such as their results, which some said that they haven't come to any real conclusion yet.
Did you read all 110 pages, Dawk?
| Quote: | | Nonetheless, we can both agree that regardless of our opinions they do have credible arguments as exampled- which is all that I have really stated. Now who are you trying to convince with your statements though, me, or you yourself? |
If I convince you then okay, whatever. All I am saying is that when I read most of these reports, they do not take into consideration any variable from a social/cultural aspect.
| Quote: | | And yet its still irrelevant in this discussion, the one you started with me. |
Uh, no. It stemmed from the comment you said about tattoos and piercings. Don't try to get out of this one.
| Quote: | | That's why I make classy insults. |
As classy as a hooker.
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Dawkadoodle
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| SpecterOpacus wrote: |
Same thing.
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A Preemptive strike is a military tactic, insurance is a policy you get for your pet dog or favorite red Chevy. You must be using the idiot's lexicon.
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I read the table of contents to see where sections are and then see if they take such things into consideration.
I also look for other things such as their results, which some said that they haven't come to any real conclusion yet.
Did you read all 110 pages, Dawk? |
Both of the two UN pdf's, 3/4 of the last first pdf. I don't allow my biases to come into play until after I read the entire thing. unlike yourself.
| Quote: | | If I convince you then okay, whatever. All I am saying is that when I read most of these reports, they do not take into consideration any variable from a social/cultural aspect. |
And what you're saying still doesn't really fully dispute the credibility of these studies, and not all studies have excluded the cultural variables.
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Uh, no. It stemmed from the comment you said about tattoos and piercings. Don't try to get out of this one. |
It stemmed from my comment, yes, but it was wholly irrelevant to my comment.
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Also, tattoos and piercings tend to be chosen willingly by the party involved. |
That depends on your culture.
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I mentioned nothing concerning the idea abuse. I just made comment that the willingnesses may not exist there. My statement wasn't even in the same ballfields as "abuse," it was heading in a completely different direction.
| Quote: | | As classy as a hooker. |
Your experience with hookers, while extensive, isn't very trustworthy. |
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SpecterOpacus
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| Quote: | | Both of the two UN pdf's, 3/4 of the last first pdf. I don't allow my biases to come into play until after I read the entire thing. unlike yourself. |
Reading the Table of Contents in order to know where each part is is bias.
More at 11.
| Quote: | | And what you're saying still doesn't really fully dispute the credibility of these studies, and not all studies have excluded the cultural variables. |
Yet to see them.
| Quote: | | It stemmed from my comment, yes, but it was wholly irrelevant to my comment. |
Whatever you say.
| Quote: | | I mentioned nothing concerning the idea abuse. I just made comment that the willingnesses may not exist there. My statement wasn't even in the same ballfields as "abuse," it was heading in a completely different direction. |
Above comment.
| Quote: | | Your experience with hookers, while extensive, isn't very trustworthy. |
I'm sure you're the lady's man irl. 
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Dawkadoodle
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Reading the Table of Contents in order to know where each part is is bias.
More at 11. |
I really don't care about your quest to find your own personal biases in the veil of text about penises, nor am I going to participate in a debate I've already declared my neutrality on. I really don't care about HIV/AIDS that much. You can play with yourself, though.
You've yet to present anything either.
| Quote: | | I'm sure you're the lady's man irl. |
You really burnt me with that one. You've must have really hammered your brains all night for that.
See ya later, you dick crazy specter you. |
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SpecterOpacus
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | I really don't care about your quest to find your own personal biases in the veil of text about penises, nor am I going to participate in a debate I've already declared my neutrality on. I really don't care about HIV/AIDS that much. You can play with yourself, though. |
I love how you default to the neutral position as if you can't come to any conclusion whatsoever.
| Quote: | | You've yet to present anything either. |
Not my job to prove that circumcision prevents HIV/AIDS, only to point out variables they may have missed and therefore question the veracity of the study itself.
But good try at shifting the burden.
| Quote: | | You really burnt me with that one. You've must have really hammered your brains all night for that. |
Actually by looking at the timestamps on the posts, it took around maybe a fraction of 9 minutes. Good one though, I've surely never heard of that one!
Night.
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Dawkadoodle
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I love how you default to the neutral position as if you can't come to any conclusion whatsoever. |
I don't come to a conclusions until I know the choice I pick, is the best choice for me to pick. I don't jump the gun like you, cowboy.
| Quote: | Not my job to prove that circumcision prevents HIV/AIDS, only to point out variables they may have missed and therefore question the veracity of the study itself.
But good try at shifting the burden. |
What burden, I've just stated it was a credible source with a valid point. As I have already stated so too the opposition and other views have. I have no position to defend, because I never committed to accepting a view. You're the one arguing for a point. You can rant about your opinion of these studies as you like, but do you expect me to care enough to reply agreeing with you or arguing against you? In the end it's still a subjective argument about objective data.
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Actually by looking at the timestamps on the posts, it took around maybe a fraction of 9 minutes. Good one though, I've surely never heard of that one!
Night. |
You never heard of the post you made? Senility must be catching up to you blazingly fast these days |
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Dawk looooves talking about the cock.
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Cuz they are yummy deep fried.
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SpecterOpacus
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | I don't come to a conclusions until I know the choice I pick, is the best choice for me to pick. I don't jump the gun like you, cowboy. |
I'm not jumping the gun. Coming to a conclusion with the best evidence available to you at the time is not jumping the gun, it's how science works. When new evidence surfaces, my view changes. Until then, I have no where to go with this atm.
Nice try though.
| Quote: | | What burden, I've just stated it was a credible source with a valid point. |
My point, over your head.
| Quote: | | You never heard of the post you made? Senility must be catching up to you blazingly fast these days |
This is a pretty stupid comment, seeing as how you totally missed out on what I meant.
You should really get more sleep before you post again.
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Dawkadoodle
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm not jumping the gun. Coming to a conclusion with the best evidence available to you at the time is not jumping the gun, it's how science works. When new evidence surfaces, my view changes. Until then, I have no where to go with this atm. |
Indulging in a biased conclusion instead of waiting for enough information to come into existence to base a solid conclusion, however, isn't how rationality works. Your current views are base on those biases, whereas I'm not going to play around with the chance of investing in mistaken views before I can confirm whichever views I support can be even more well supported than currently. You're picking a side because you want to to have a side, of course you're stuck.
| Quote: | | My point, over your head. |
You point wasn't even relevant, and you're trying to imply that I missed it? No one is asking of shifting to you a burden to prove or disprove anything nor have I made a statement in which you weren't already aware was true that would carry such a burden of proof. I don't know how I could even more clearly have addressed the point you figure I've either ignored or missed. Are you projecting yourself on to me or are you desperately trying to attack after running out of witticisms?
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This is a pretty stupid comment, seeing as how you totally missed out on what I meant.
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How did I miss your attempt to belittle me? I sent your intent back toward you. Your statements have degraded to "Well, no you!," and they're not at all as cutting as they were previously. You need to work on those sarcasm skills among the more sharp statements you like to speak. |
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