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SmellingTheCoffee
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 Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: John McCain's Health...Are you kidding? |
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So part of John McCain's health records were released (Friday evening, before a long weekend and only for 3 hours). They covered only 2000 to 2008 and there were OVER 1200 pages and CANCER lept out of all of them.
After the 3 hour review, the reports about cancer, the fact that it covered only 8 years over a 71 year life time - your news reporters stated John McCain was in excellent health (a joker on Fox News even asked "is 71 the new 30?).
Okay - so here is my problem. I work in health insurance (yes, we have private health plans in Canada). My job involves examining health records and determining if a person is a candidate for coverage. Under the rules in my company, John McCain couldn't even get a disability policy with us let alone be elected to public office.
How in the world can Americans look at the health records of this man and consider electing him to the highest office in the land? ARE YOU FREAK'N CRAZY?? The odds are very good that this man will die in office and even if he doesn't, the odds are better that he will become so sick that he won't be able to function at anything but a minimum level.
Do yourselves a favour - if you are considering voting for McCain (or know someone who is) pay very close attention to who he picks as Vice-President; THAT is the person who is going to be your president.
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He's older than Cher and she lived to see the extinction of Smilodon. So he must be immensly old if she's still doing well.
I bet he'll die before election.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23/mccain.health.records/
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"Sen. McCain enjoys excellent health and displays extraordinary energy, and, while it is impossible to predict any person's future health, I and my colleagues can find no medical reason or problem that would preclude Sen. McCain from fulfilling all of the duties or obligations of the president of the United States," said Dr. John D. Eckstein, an internist who has been overseeing McCain's treatment for 16 years at the famed research center's campus in Scottsdale, Arizona. |
His doctors seem to disagree with you.
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SmellingTheCoffee
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| not_a_theist wrote: | http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23/mccain.health.records/
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"Sen. McCain enjoys excellent health and displays extraordinary energy, and, while it is impossible to predict any person's future health, I and my colleagues can find no medical reason or problem that would preclude Sen. McCain from fulfilling all of the duties or obligations of the president of the United States," said Dr. John D. Eckstein, an internist who has been overseeing McCain's treatment for 16 years at the famed research center's campus in Scottsdale, Arizona. |
His doctors seem to disagree with you. |
Oh please, please tell me that you are not so politically naive that you put any stock in what the personal doctor to any politician says about their health.
Remember Wilson, Roosevelt, Reagan - all of them were in "excellent" health as well. Wilson was practically brain dead and was still "in excellent health". Roosevelt was at death's door during the 1944 election and Reagan was exhibiting the first signs of Alzheimer's. Doctor's LIE to the public about a politician's health because telling the truth could ruin their patient's career.
Use your own judgment. Do a bit of investigation into stage I and II and III skin cancer and into the shopping list of conditions that McCain has. Find out the survival rates for men who have had these conditions before their 70th birthday. Then remember that this was ONLY the last 8 years - the bulk of McCains' health records are still sealed.
And remember - when voting for McCain, you will be actually voting for his vice-president because that is who will be leading the country eventually.
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And he hasn't chosen his VP yet.
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| Jason_Harvestdancer wrote: | | And he hasn't chosen his VP yet. |
i have my fingers crossed that it will be me.
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| SmellingTheCoffee wrote: | | not_a_theist wrote: | http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23/mccain.health.records/
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"Sen. McCain enjoys excellent health and displays extraordinary energy, and, while it is impossible to predict any person's future health, I and my colleagues can find no medical reason or problem that would preclude Sen. McCain from fulfilling all of the duties or obligations of the president of the United States," said Dr. John D. Eckstein, an internist who has been overseeing McCain's treatment for 16 years at the famed research center's campus in Scottsdale, Arizona. |
His doctors seem to disagree with you. |
Oh please, please tell me that you are not so politically naive that you put any stock in what the personal doctor to any politician says about their health.
Remember Wilson, Roosevelt, Reagan - all of them were in "excellent" health as well. Wilson was practically brain dead and was still "in excellent health". Roosevelt was at death's door during the 1944 election and Reagan was exhibiting the first signs of Alzheimer's. Doctor's LIE to the public about a politician's health because telling the truth could ruin their patient's career.
Use your own judgment. Do a bit of investigation into stage I and II and III skin cancer and into the shopping list of conditions that McCain has. Find out the survival rates for men who have had these conditions before their 70th birthday. Then remember that this was ONLY the last 8 years - the bulk of McCains' health records are still sealed.
And remember - when voting for McCain, you will be actually voting for his vice-president because that is who will be leading the country eventually. |
From the article:
"According to the American Cancer Society, such a melanoma would be classified as Stage IIA, which is associated with a five-year survival rate of about 78 percent and a 10-year survival rate of about 66 percent."
And since he will be receiving the highest medical care possible Im sure his numbers would be a bit higher.
Anywho I have no reason to not believe their opinion and at this point trust them more than an insurance guy from Canada over the internet.
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| Moloth wrote: | | Jason_Harvestdancer wrote: | | And he hasn't chosen his VP yet. |
i have my fingers crossed that it will be me. |
I'm shooting for being Hillary's VP after she loses to Obama and runs on the libertarian party ticket. I'm cautiously optimistic.
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No, the LP candidate has already been chosen. If she'd dropped out a month ago she maybe could have had it. Who knows, maybe the Retard Caucus, excuse me, Reform Caucus would have supported her.
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SmellingTheCoffee
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| not_a_theist wrote: | | SmellingTheCoffee wrote: | | not_a_theist wrote: | http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23/mccain.health.records/
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"Sen. McCain enjoys excellent health and displays extraordinary energy, and, while it is impossible to predict any person's future health, I and my colleagues can find no medical reason or problem that would preclude Sen. McCain from fulfilling all of the duties or obligations of the president of the United States," said Dr. John D. Eckstein, an internist who has been overseeing McCain's treatment for 16 years at the famed research center's campus in Scottsdale, Arizona. |
His doctors seem to disagree with you. |
Oh please, please tell me that you are not so politically naive that you put any stock in what the personal doctor to any politician says about their health.
Remember Wilson, Roosevelt, Reagan - all of them were in "excellent" health as well. Wilson was practically brain dead and was still "in excellent health". Roosevelt was at death's door during the 1944 election and Reagan was exhibiting the first signs of Alzheimer's. Doctor's LIE to the public about a politician's health because telling the truth could ruin their patient's career.
Use your own judgment. Do a bit of investigation into stage I and II and III skin cancer and into the shopping list of conditions that McCain has. Find out the survival rates for men who have had these conditions before their 70th birthday. Then remember that this was ONLY the last 8 years - the bulk of McCains' health records are still sealed.
And remember - when voting for McCain, you will be actually voting for his vice-president because that is who will be leading the country eventually. |
From the article:
"According to the American Cancer Society, such a melanoma would be classified as Stage IIA, which is associated with a five-year survival rate of about 78 percent and a 10-year survival rate of about 66 percent."
And since he will be receiving the highest medical care possible Im sure his numbers would be a bit higher.
Anywho I have no reason to not believe their opinion and at this point trust them more than an insurance guy from Canada over the internet. |
For crying out loud you just read the very point I am making:
five-year survival rate of about 78 percent and a 10-year survival rate of about 66 percent."
This is NOT "excellent" health. It is because of those numbers that McCain would not qualify for insurance from my company. AND it has to be remembered that these statistics do not take in to account any co-morbid conditions that McCain has (or may have and is still keeping hidden).
McCain may be in good health for a man who has been tortured, suffered stage II possible stage III skin cancer, been operated on several times and still has numerous medical problems, BUT he is not in "excellant" health and I would put his likely survival rate for the next 10 years at about 50%.
The point is: Hope McCain picks a very good person to be VP. Chances are good that before his term is up, this person will be the defacto ruler.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| SmellingTheCoffee wrote: |
The point is: Hope McCain picks a very good person to be VP. Chances are good that before his term is up, this person will be the defacto ruler. |
I think most people are actually ok with that. As long as their party stays in office, it really doesn't matter to a lot of people what his name is. |
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| SmellingTheCoffee wrote: |
McCain may be in good health for a man who has been tortured, suffered stage II possible stage III skin cancer, been operated on several times and still has numerous medical problems, BUT he is not in "excellant" health and I would put his likely survival rate for the next 10 years at about 50%.
The point is: Hope McCain picks a very good person to be VP. Chances are good that before his term is up, this person will be the defacto ruler. |
Ok I get your point. But chances are, according to the statistics in the article, he still will be around in 10 years. And since he will get the best treatment possible its probably going to be higher anyways.
But ya you should be wary of ANY politcians running mate. Never know when another JFK incident is gonna happen either.
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| not_a_theist wrote: | | SmellingTheCoffee wrote: |
McCain may be in good health for a man who has been tortured, suffered stage II possible stage III skin cancer, been operated on several times and still has numerous medical problems, BUT he is not in "excellant" health and I would put his likely survival rate for the next 10 years at about 50%.
The point is: Hope McCain picks a very good person to be VP. Chances are good that before his term is up, this person will be the defacto ruler. |
Ok I get your point. But chances are, according to the statistics in the article, he still will be around in 10 years. And since he will get the best treatment possible its probably going to be higher anyways.
But ya you should be wary of ANY politcians running mate. Never know when another JFK incident is gonna happen either. |
Too true dude. I remember when Bush Sr. was president and Americans prayed for his health the entire term - even the atheists :O) The thought of Dan Quayle becoming President filled the world with horror.
You can't say that about Bush Jr. though, Cheney is all ready president. 
Peace out.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: John McCain's Health...Are you kidding? |
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| SmellingTheCoffee wrote: | So part of John McCain's health records were released (Friday evening, before a long weekend and only for 3 hours). They covered only 2000 to 2008 and there were OVER 1200 pages and CANCER lept out of all of them.
After the 3 hour review, the reports about cancer, the fact that it covered only 8 years over a 71 year life time - your news reporters stated John McCain was in excellent health (a joker on Fox News even asked "is 71 the new 30?).
Okay - so here is my problem. I work in health insurance (yes, we have private health plans in Canada). My job involves examining health records and determining if a person is a candidate for coverage. Under the rules in my company, John McCain couldn't even get a disability policy with us let alone be elected to public office.
How in the world can Americans look at the health records of this man and consider electing him to the highest office in the land? ARE YOU FREAK'N CRAZY?? The odds are very good that this man will die in office and even if he doesn't, the odds are better that he will become so sick that he won't be able to function at anything but a minimum level.
Do yourselves a favour - if you are considering voting for McCain (or know someone who is) pay very close attention to who he picks as Vice-President; THAT is the person who is going to be your president. |
Hope you enjoy President Palin.
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i'd fuck her... but i dont want her in any position of political power.
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