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 Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Going vegan/vegetarian will help stop global warming? |
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| Quote: | Global warming has been called humankind's "greatest challenge" and the world's most grave environmental threat, and science shows that one of the most effective ways to fight global warming is to go vegetarian.1
Sir Paul McCartneyStars such as Sir Paul McCartney and Chrissie Hynde are lending their voices to share what science has already proven—that the meat industry is one of the leading sources of the greenhouse gases that lead to global warming.
When asked what personal change people could make to help the environment, McCartney replied, "I think the biggest change anyone could make in their own lifestyle would be to become vegetarian." To read the complete interview with Sir Paul McCartney, visit PETA's blog The PETA Files.
A 2006 United Nations report found that the meat industry produces more greenhouse gases than all the SUVs, Hummers, cars, trucks, planes, and ships in the world combined.2 Greenhouse gases cause global warming, which studies show will increasingly lead to catastrophic disasters—like droughts, floods, hurricanes, rising sea levels, and disease outbreaks—unless we drastically reduce the amounts emitted into the atmosphere.
Many conscientious people are trying to help reduce global warming by driving more fuel-efficient cars and using energy-saving light bulbs, but they could do more simply by going vegetarian.
* The official handbook for the Live Earth concerts says that "refusing meat" is the "single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint."3
* According to Environmental Defense, if every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetarian foods instead, the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than a half-million cars off U.S. roads.
* The University of Chicago reports that going vegan is 50% more effective than switching to a hybrid car in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Eating 1 lb. of meat emits the same amount of greenhouse gasses as driving a Hummer 40 miles.
More than Just CO2
Raising animals for their flesh, eggs, and milk is one of the world’s leading emitters of carbon dioxide (CO2). But global warming is caused by more than just CO2. Animal agriculture is the leading source of methane and nitrous oxide emissions, which—combined with carbon dioxide—causes the vast majority of global warming.
* Methane: The billions of farmed animals crammed into factory farms produce enormous amounts of methane, both during digestion and from the acres of cesspools filled with feces that they excrete. Methane is more than 20 times as powerful as carbon dioxide at trapping heat in our atmosphere.5 Statistics from the Environmental Protection Agency show that animal agriculture is the number one source of methane emissions in the U.S.6
* Nitrous Oxide: Nitrous oxide is about 300 times more potent as a global warming gas than carbon dioxide. According to the U.N., the meat, egg, and dairy industries account for a staggering 65 percent of worldwide nitrous oxide emissions.7 |
from GoVeg.com
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Mmm.. tastes like chicken... hm, no, wait.. thats rhetoric.
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| Moloth wrote: | | Mmm.. tastes like chicken... hm, no, wait.. thats rhetoric. |
so, you think that all those statistics are nothing more than rhetoric? |
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| chrisreid wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Mmm.. tastes like chicken... hm, no, wait.. thats rhetoric. |
so, you think that all those statistics are nothing more than rhetoric? |
i'm.... extremely skeptical of anything that purportedly supports the vegan-PETA complex.
i've found PETA to be one of the most delusional, dishonest and propagandist organizations in the modern world. they'll lie, cheat and steal in order to push their agenda and they're quite unapologetic about it.
that said, i have NO problem with the vegetarian or even vegan lifestyle... its the rhetorical baggage that often comes with it that i mistrust.
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i understand but if the statistic is true that | Quote: |
A 2006 United Nations report found that the meat industry produces more greenhouse gases than all the SUVs, Hummers, cars, trucks, planes, and ships in the world combined.2 |
then there is no doubt that not eating meat will help reduce greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere.
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*Munches on chicken leg gleefully watching thermometer rise.
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| baddogma wrote: | | *Munches on chicken leg gleefully watching thermometer rise. |
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| chrisreid wrote: | i understand but if the statistic is true that [
A 2006 United Nations report found that the meat industry produces more greenhouse gases than all the SUVs, Hummers, cars, trucks, planes, and ships in the world combined.2] then there is no doubt that not eating meat will help reduce greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere. |
yes, and if the bible is true we're all screwed.
i simply cannot take statistics from PETA at face value. *shrug* they've been proven to have been wrong, skewed and manufactured too many time s before. these stats may ALL be legit... but, coming from PETA they are immediately suspect. have a confirming, non-related third party repeat them and i, for one, will give them more consideration.
plus.... who says CO2 is bad? its plant food!
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If the bible is true then we'll just party it up in hell... it can't be so bad.
I'll look them up with another source. And too much CO2 would be detrimental to the environment.
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| Quote: | Why food choices affect climate change
Farmers are a critical part of our economy. They not only feed us, they’re also at the frontline of conserving America’s environmental resources and fighting global warming.
Just as with any other business, farming requires burning fossil fuels to make fertilizer, run tractors and process and transport food. It takes many calories of grains to make one calorie of meat, and animals and manure produce greenhouse gases like methane and nitrous oxide. As a result, producing meat emits more greenhouse gases than growing crops.
You don’t have to be a vegetarian to make a difference
Even small dietary changes can make a big difference.
If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains, for example, the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads. And speaking of cars, it takes fuel to transport food, so buying from local farmers and ranchers cuts emissions even if you don’t cut out any meat.
Equivalent emissions savings from weekly dietary changes
If every American had on meat-free meal per week, it would be the same as taking more than 5 million cars off our roads. Having one meat-free day per week would be the same as taking 8 million cars off American roads. |
from the http://www.edf.org/article.cfm?contentid=6604
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| Moloth wrote: | | who says CO2 is bad? its plant food! |
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| chrisreid wrote: | | Quote: | Global warming has been called humankind's "greatest challenge" and the world's most grave environmental threat, and science shows that one of the most effective ways to fight global warming is to go vegetarian.1
Sir Paul McCartneyStars such as Sir Paul McCartney and Chrissie Hynde are lending their voices to share what science has already proven—that the meat industry is one of the leading sources of the greenhouse gases that lead to global warming.
When asked what personal change people could make to help the environment, McCartney replied, "I think the biggest change anyone could make in their own lifestyle would be to become vegetarian." To read the complete interview with Sir Paul McCartney, visit PETA's blog The PETA Files.
A 2006 United Nations report found that the meat industry produces more greenhouse gases than all the SUVs, Hummers, cars, trucks, planes, and ships in the world combined.2 Greenhouse gases cause global warming, which studies show will increasingly lead to catastrophic disasters—like droughts, floods, hurricanes, rising sea levels, and disease outbreaks—unless we drastically reduce the amounts emitted into the atmosphere.
Many conscientious people are trying to help reduce global warming by driving more fuel-efficient cars and using energy-saving light bulbs, but they could do more simply by going vegetarian.
* The official handbook for the Live Earth concerts says that "refusing meat" is the "single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint."3
* According to Environmental Defense, if every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetarian foods instead, the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than a half-million cars off U.S. roads.
* The University of Chicago reports that going vegan is 50% more effective than switching to a hybrid car in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Eating 1 lb. of meat emits the same amount of greenhouse gasses as driving a Hummer 40 miles.
More than Just CO2
Raising animals for their flesh, eggs, and milk is one of the world’s leading emitters of carbon dioxide (CO2). But global warming is caused by more than just CO2. Animal agriculture is the leading source of methane and nitrous oxide emissions, which—combined with carbon dioxide—causes the vast majority of global warming.
* Methane: The billions of farmed animals crammed into factory farms produce enormous amounts of methane, both during digestion and from the acres of cesspools filled with feces that they excrete. Methane is more than 20 times as powerful as carbon dioxide at trapping heat in our atmosphere.5 Statistics from the Environmental Protection Agency show that animal agriculture is the number one source of methane emissions in the U.S.6
* Nitrous Oxide: Nitrous oxide is about 300 times more potent as a global warming gas than carbon dioxide. According to the U.N., the meat, egg, and dairy industries account for a staggering 65 percent of worldwide nitrous oxide emissions.7 |
from GoVeg.com
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Here is the fundamental problem with their thinking. It takes x amount of energy to produce what humans consume. If we shift the burden from meat production to vegetable production it doesn't really change x. It only puts one economic sector out of commission causing unemployment and poverty as well as increases the animal population which is the real mass contributer of green house gases in the environment in the 1st place.
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Here is the fundamental problem with their thinking. It takes x amount of energy to produce what humans consume. If we shift the burden from meat production to vegetable production it doesn't really change x. It only puts one economic sector out of commission causing unemployment and poverty as well as increases the animal population which is the real mass contributer of green house gases in the environment in the 1st place. |
it takes a lot more energy to produce meat than it does vegetables and opening up more industries for vegetable production will produce jobs. meat production also takes up a lot more energy than increased animal populations. |
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| chrisreid wrote: | | romans120 wrote: |
Here is the fundamental problem with their thinking. It takes x amount of energy to produce what humans consume. If we shift the burden from meat production to vegetable production it doesn't really change x. It only puts one economic sector out of commission causing unemployment and poverty as well as increases the animal population which is the real mass contributer of green house gases in the environment in the 1st place. |
it takes a lot more energy to produce meat than it does vegetables and opening up more industries for vegetable production will produce jobs. meat production also takes up a lot more energy than increased animal populations. |
I think that is somewhat absurd. here is why. The energy in meat production is the energy used in growing feed and in the processing and transport. 2 of the three of those are a wash, as both apply to vegetable production as well. I can't fathom the energy increases in harvesting and planting and maintaining vegetable crops would be significantly less then current energy expended in meat processing. Also the point in the article wasn't energy conservation as much as it was emissions. Which was stupid because animals emit the same emissions whether their confined in a processing confinement or roaming wild. Without man as a predator animal populations will dramatically increase and thus emissions will increase
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| chrisreid wrote: | | romans120 wrote: |
Here is the fundamental problem with their thinking. It takes x amount of energy to produce what humans consume. If we shift the burden from meat production to vegetable production it doesn't really change x. It only puts one economic sector out of commission causing unemployment and poverty as well as increases the animal population which is the real mass contributer of green house gases in the environment in the 1st place. |
it takes a lot more energy to produce meat than it does vegetables and opening up more industries for vegetable production will produce jobs. meat production also takes up a lot more energy than increased animal populations. |
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