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josephpalazzo Illusion Master

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| gnosis wrote: | The important thing is the rights afforded, equal rights under the law. I don't care if you call it marriage, "civil unions", or whatever term they make up. These people deserve equal treatment in the eyes of the law.
Personally, I'm all for gay marriage. I'm willing to concede calling it "civil union" though, if it means that is what is necessary to pass legislation.
Necessary evil, I suppose. |
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Whatever you call it, the basic principle is that everyone gets to be treated equally under the law. Such things as child adoption, hospital visiting rights and spousal support should be available to "all" couples. |
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SpecterOpacus Divine Intervention saves raids.

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hopefully the one in FL isn't passed either.
Fucking Christian-Right. _________________ "Of the voluntary acts of every man the object is some good to himself." -Thomas Hobbs
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joshuas3521 Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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About fucking time xD
but, so help me, if that amendment to ban gay marriage passes, I am fucking moving. _________________ "What I'm saying is, if God wanted to send us a message, and ancient writings were the only way he could think of doing it, he could have done a better job." --Carl Sagan
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not_a_theist Forum Texan

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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my gay brother is legally married in the uk...in fact that allowed him to extend his visa there
soon enough (hopefully) people will be able to do this here. _________________ A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.
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jaycorath Inoffendable

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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I really am getting a kick about the religious conservatives who are going to try to put an amendment on the ballot.
Good luck, morons
I was born and raised here and I find the idea of them getting an amendment passed EXTREMELY unlikely.
If the millions of illegal immigrants could vote though, it might be able to pass. Surprise, Surprise the Catholic Church is, whether they admit it or not, pro illegal immigration. _________________ "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to" -George Carlin
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Amberli Royal Citizen


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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm SO fucking tired of these goddamn bigots using religion to back up their stupid fucking prejudices. Gays are ruining America, causing our children to drop out of school and get high, and unraveling the moral fabric of this country..HOW?? Because they prefer sex a different fucking way? Idiots!! _________________ I smile because I don't know what the hell is going on.
Life is not about what happens to you. It's about how you fucking DEAL with what happens to you
What if irresponsible parents can't tell/don't care whether or not their kids are responsible enough to use a gun? And then the King of England walks into your home charging you extra for tea and stamps and billets soldiers in your daughter's room? What then?
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Wander Forum Leader


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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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I sail a similar boat as long as "civil union" gives every last right that "marriage" does. The only basis I have ever heard against same-sex marriage is from a religious standpoint, and it should be very obvious that I think religion is a crock of shit. I really, truly hope that it won't be long before people look back on this and laugh like people look back at the Civil Rights or Women's Suffrage movements. _________________ Regarding creationists: Aren't these the same people who gave us alchemy and astrology, and who told us the earth, besides being flat, was at the center of the universe? Why don't we just kill these fucking people? ~George Carlin |
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Vyrian Forum Leader


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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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We can only hope that the bible belt and texas is thrown out of the US and made it's own backward state for Mexico to invade, this way Gay Marriage can spread like the rainbow-plague across the united states become legal so we can finally work on more pressing issues. _________________
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Philosophos Do it

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Wander wrote: | | I sail a similar boat as long as "civil union" gives every last right that "marriage" does. |
I'm still against civil unions v. marriages for one main reason. It may create both waste in bureaucracy in legislating the two, as well as opening the door to future discriminatory legislation if they are legally separated. But, being pragmatic, civil unions are better than nothing.
I'm still personally against the state endorsing any marriage overall, though. Neither the Federal nor state governments should have any hand in marriage at all, beyond enforcement of any contractual issues that may arise when people choose to get married (and that may vary depending on HOW they get married - as well it should). _________________ The whores and politicians will shout 'save us'...
...and I'll whisper 'no'. |
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Mathew Intern


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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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All of a sudden, I have a strong urge to move to California.
Screw Texas!  _________________
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Jason_Harvestdancer WonderMod Powers ACTIVATE!

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I still wonder why this is an issue. I mean gays and lesbians allowed to marry?
Gays don't want to marry straight women, much less lesbians. _________________ Nos laetus edo qui votum opprimo nobis.
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Raskolnikov The Axe Murderer

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| gnosis wrote: | The important thing is the rights afforded, equal rights under the law. I don't care if you call it marriage, "civil unions", or whatever term they make up. These people deserve equal treatment in the eyes of the law.
Personally, I'm all for gay marriage. I'm willing to concede calling it "civil union" though, if it means that is what is necessary to pass legislation.
Necessary evil, I suppose. |
I have to disagree with you. Civil Union just seems like Jim Crow laws in a fancy suit. I do believe the supreme court struck down the whole separate but equal thing a while ago.
For me it has to be everyone gets a civil union or everyone gets married. _________________ "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, underwhich weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, for if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson
"The future is not set in stone. The future is what you make it. So make it a good one!"
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Castaa Forum Master


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What's surprising to me this that this story and ruling was in and out of the headlines so quickly. I guess that's a good sign. _________________ MY YouTube Videos
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Persuasion African Sage

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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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When someone believes that marriage was literally invented by god it's hard for them to ever accept gay marriage. The laws of the state could be changed in the future. After all, most people are against gay marriage, so the gains of gay marriage proponents are build on snking sand. The way to secure the right to gay marriage is to shame Judeo-Christian creeds out of existence.
Changing opinions and minds is the best policy. Indeed, fighting against heterosexist religious creeds is crucial. Yes, legal gains would help create the atmosphere to pursue the above aims. But, f the aims are not pursue, then the legal victories are only temporal. _________________ If you wish, like us, that the entire liberty of the individual and, consequently, his life be respected, you are necessarily brought to repudiate the government of man by man, whatever shape it assumes; you are forced to accept the principles of Anarchy that you have spurned so long. You must then search with us the forms of society that can best realize that ideal and put an end to all the violence that rouses your indignation.
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