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it is a question I asked myself this weekend, we were talking about kids these days, 3 people in the golf course just relaxing, among us there is 1 Christian, an Atheist, and one who simply will not talk about religion, and we respect that (he has hinted he doesnt not believe in even in electricity  ), we were talking about what is best for our kids, we have kids in the range of 11 to 17, so sexuality is a big part of this conversation.
the part of abstinence came to the conversation by the one who simply will not let us know, and the conversation got real interesting, we started sharing our beliefs of what music can an cant do to kids.
beofre i tell you the outcome, let me know if you think music has any bearing in a kids life, would you like to see what your kids are listening to?
do you have any kids?
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Moloth
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
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do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
With a world population of 6.6 billion moral free agents, who is authorized to declare what is moral or not? |
we are.
i mean, who else?
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aitm
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I was driving down the road the other day listening to a jazz version of an old rock and roll song, the singer was moaning out a line and it struck me, "I'll be damned, I never knew that was what it said." That happens alot to me, I never really listened to the words, I was into shoving my crotch into some girls belly while I was dancing. Hell I never listened to any words.
Today its easy to get immersed in the controversy of rap lyrics, but I don't think that the lyrics are the problem at all. The problem imho, is that kids immerse themselves into the culture of the songs and that parlays into trouble.
Take the real percentage of kids that go off half cocked on some idiotic song and you still see a small percentage of nit wits, these kids are the recurring percentage of dimwits that the human population is inclined to shed every year.
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aitm
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| Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
OR
do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
With a world population of 6.6 billion moral free agents, who is authorized to declare what is moral or not? |
I am.
Really, I am.
Tis a silly question anyway, the believer of any religion has never been shown to exhibit any more "morality" than anyone else. Nor does religion prohibit someone from immoral behavior, goodness we have seen that enough. To even try to remotely claim that morality and religion are inextricibly (sp) tied together is both ignorant and foolish.
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Knowledge: The cure for religion.
The reality is: The majority of Christians are, because they have never read the Bible, whereas the majority of Atheists are, because they have. tjb |
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Moloth
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http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
The results of the Christians vs atheists
in prison investigation.
Not unexpected as a result. Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).
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Missionary
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| aitm wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
OR
do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
With a world population of 6.6 billion moral free agents, who is authorized to declare what is moral or not? |
I am.
Really, I am.
Tis a silly question anyway, the believer of any religion has never been shown to exhibit any more "morality" than anyone else. Nor does religion prohibit someone from immoral behavior, goodness we have seen that enough. To even try to remotely claim that morality and religion are inextricibly (sp) tied together is both ignorant and foolish. |
Why the obsession with dragging religion or God into it? Stick to your story man. We're hairy oversize germ goblins 6.6 billion strong. Who will decide what is moral? Who will enforce and compel compliance? 6.6 billion free moral agents each with their own thoughts, opinions, and ideologies...Who will make the decisions?? |
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Moloth
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Missionary wrote: | | aitm wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
OR
do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
With a world population of 6.6 billion moral free agents, who is authorized to declare what is moral or not? |
I am.
Really, I am.
Tis a silly question anyway, the believer of any religion has never been shown to exhibit any more "morality" than anyone else. Nor does religion prohibit someone from immoral behavior, goodness we have seen that enough. To even try to remotely claim that morality and religion are inextricibly (sp) tied together is both ignorant and foolish. |
Why the obsession with dragging religion or God into it? Stick to your story man. We're hairy oversize germ goblins 6.6 billion strong. Who will decide what is moral? Who will enforce and compel compliance? 6.6 billion free moral agents each with their own thoughts, opinions, and ideologies...Who will make the decisions?? |
we will.
who else?
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Missionary
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
OR
do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
With a world population of 6.6 billion moral free agents, who is authorized to declare what is moral or not? |
we are.
i mean, who else? |
Who is "we"? If everyone has their own concept of opinion, ideology, society and assuming that some will form groups based on like precepts? Who is we and they? Who decides what morality is and who will decide by what authority such morality will be compelled? Who chooses the authority to judge? |
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Moloth
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
OR
do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
With a world population of 6.6 billion moral free agents, who is authorized to declare what is moral or not? |
we are.
i mean, who else? |
Who is "we"? If everyone has their own concept of opinion, ideology, society and assuming that some will form groups based on like precepts? Who is we and they? Who decides what morality is and who will decide by what authority such morality will be compelled? Who chooses the authority to judge? |
we are the 6.6 billion people. you. me. them. us. everyone. we decide.
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aitm
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
OR
do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
With a world population of 6.6 billion moral free agents, who is authorized to declare what is moral or not? |
we are.
i mean, who else? |
Who is "we"? If everyone has their own concept of opinion, ideology, society and assuming that some will form groups based on like precepts? Who is we and they? Who decides what morality is and who will decide by what authority such morality will be compelled? Who chooses the authority to judge? |
we are the 6.6 billion people. you. me. them. us. everyone. we decide. |
and we have. Look around. Every law and moral code in every society is from man. Gods don't exist you know, thats how we know that man can do it because quite simply, we already did.
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psst, theres a vagina on your bumper!
Knowledge: The cure for religion.
The reality is: The majority of Christians are, because they have never read the Bible, whereas the majority of Atheists are, because they have. tjb |
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Newman
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| aitm wrote: | I was driving down the road the other day listening to a jazz version of an old rock and roll song, the singer was moaning out a line and it struck me, "I'll be damned, I never knew that was what it said." That happens alot to me, I never really listened to the words, I was into shoving my crotch into some girls belly while I was dancing. Hell I never listened to any words.
Today its easy to get immersed in the controversy of rap lyrics, but I don't think that the lyrics are the problem at all. The problem imho, is that kids immerse themselves into the culture of the songs and that parlays into trouble.
Take the real percentage of kids that go off half cocked on some idiotic song and you still see a small percentage of nit wits, these kids are the recurring percentage of dimwits that the human population is inclined to shed every year. |
duly noted and I do agree, the culture of said music choice does more harm
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ApostateLois
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| Quote: | | The world is not in chaos, no? Neither plant, nor animal, nor man. All are in semblance of order just as the universe. |
What are you talking about? There is chaos everywhere, from exploding stars to random birth defects. Animal species thrive for millions of years, only to be obliterated by a meteor impact or some other disaster, and then new life evolves only to disappear in the next major extinction event. China and Myanmar are reeling under the latest natural disasters. Tens of thousands of children die every day for lack of food, water, and medicine. You'd have to be living in an underground cavern to be blind to the disorderliness that happens everywhere, every day, and for no reason.
| Quote: | | He's not experimenting to "see what happens". God has created man to spend eternity with Him. |
Well, assuming God exists and created anything at all, then obviously he did NOT create humans to spend eternity with him, or that is what we would be doing right now, instead of mucking about on this mudball in space.
| Quote: | What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
OR
do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism? |
Did Missionary ever actually answer these questions?
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Moloth
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no, Miss will not answer those questions,... by simply acknowledging them, they undermine his presupposition and delusion.
Miss will not and Newman is simply incapable.
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Raggle Fraggle
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | it is a question I asked myself this weekend, we were talking about kids these days, 3 people in the golf course just relaxing, among us there is 1 Christian, an Atheist, and one who simply will not talk about religion, and we respect that (he has hinted he doesnt not believe in even in electricity ), we were talking about what is best for our kids, we have kids in the range of 11 to 17, so sexuality is a big part of this conversation.
the part of abstinence came to the conversation by the one who simply will not let us know, and the conversation got real interesting, we started sharing our beliefs of what music can an cant do to kids.
beofre i tell you the outcome, let me know if you think music has any bearing in a kids life, would you like to see what your kids are listening to?
do you have any kids? |
Honestly, if you've taught your kids what is right and what is wrong, it doesn't really matter what music, tv, movies, or video games they like. I got GTA San Andreas when it came out and I was in 6th grade. I'm nowhere close to being a criminal. I'm the only one at my school that refuses to cheat on tests .
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Newman
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | no, Miss will not answer those questions,... by simply acknowledging them, they undermine his presupposition and delusion.
Miss will not and Newman is simply incapable. |
bait all you want your fishing in a pond with no fish
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