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stoopid jews, didn't they know that if you complain whilst on yer knees and yer hands pointin to the heavens its called a prayer. Then, according to article 2.3.4b of the god handbook of rules, you cannot burn someone who complians under the guise of a prayer.. really check it out yerself.
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| aitm wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
What the hell lol So people get burned alive for complaining about their living situations? |
Keep in mind that God had delivered them from the bondage of slavery in Egypt and was leading them to the Promised Land. He had not only performed incredible miracles before their eyes, but had also hovered over them continuously as a cloud by day and a fire by night. He had protected them from enemies, kept them fed, clothed, and hydrated. He was their provider and protector. And yet, after all that they disobeyed, turned to idols, and complained for meat.
We live in a fallen world that is corrupted and cursed. This is not our permanent home and as such is not meant to be safe, comfortable, or hospitable apart from the presence of God. Israel still hadn't learned this lesson or they would have already crossed the Jordan long before. This incident was just another example in a long line of mistakes by Israel in failing to trust and remain content with God's provision. |
see here, this is what separates the believers from the non. It seems to the believers that this story makes perfect sense. To the non-believers this is just incredulous. How could anyone sin or complain when god HISSELF is right there. That is why this story is more bull shit.
Obviously since the believers think this really happened and the non believers can't imagine how it could have, this would lead one to readily establish a certain level of comprehensive ability to each. |
When the plane is in trouble, trust the pilot to land safely. Taking the wheel or jumping out is certain death.
There's no need to freak when the God of the universe is in control. The key for Israel was to trust Him by faith and obey. After all, A GIANT CLOUD OF FIRE PARTED THE RED SEA AN BURIED THE EGYPTIAN ARMY!! You see, from God's perspective, they should have remembered that and appreciated it for what it was. And this God who did that, was taking complete care of their every need with water and manna. All they had to do was obey Him, and they could of crossed the Jordan into the "land flowing with milk and honey" and filled their greedy little bellies. |
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| ApostateLois wrote: | | Quote: | | The problem that most people have in reconciling God's moral attributes is that they can only see the circumstances/resolution from the limited view of human perspective. Your analogy is a perfect example of this limitation. You assume God is agitated or irritated and simply snaps. This is just not the case. |
So, you don't think burning people alive just for complaining is a bit...I dunno...extreme? I would think that a loving, kind, compassionate god would find some less abusive and terrifying way to punish people...or he would meet their needs so that they wouldn't have to complain...or he wouldn't have sent them into slavery for 400 years and then forgot about them in the first place.
| Quote: | | God has been very clear; "the soul that sins shall surely die". |
God said that if Adam and Eve ate from a certain fruit tree, they would surely die in that very day. Didn't happen, they went on to live over 900 years. God's promises don't amount to a pile of cow poo in the Bible.
| Quote: | | maybe they were trying to find a new god to escape the jealous controlling abusive one, and god like many abusive partners, stalks and kills your ass. amen. |
Good point, my fine fiddlin' friend.  Can't blame them one bit. At least a golden calf idol isn't going to zap you with brimstone at every opportunity. |
From your perspective, you've got some valid points to put God in His place when you meet Him. Unfortunately, yours is of the "me human first" viewpoint that, while popular, has no moral position or authority before the Creator who will judge by His perfect standard. We do not meet that standard and require pardon. |
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Jason_Harvestdancer
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Missionary wrote: | | We do not meet that standard and require pardon. |
Maybe you don't...
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | From your perspective, you've got some valid points to put God in His place when you meet Him. Unfortunately, yours is of the "me human first" viewpoint that, while popular, has no moral position or authority before the Creator who will judge by His perfect standard. We do not meet that standard and require pardon. |
I wonder if the pope thinks that he is a worthless piece of turd? After all, he is a Christian?
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aitm
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| Missionary wrote: | | aitm wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
What the hell lol So people get burned alive for complaining about their living situations? |
Keep in mind that God had delivered them from the bondage of slavery in Egypt and was leading them to the Promised Land. He had not only performed incredible miracles before their eyes, but had also hovered over them continuously as a cloud by day and a fire by night. He had protected them from enemies, kept them fed, clothed, and hydrated. He was their provider and protector. And yet, after all that they disobeyed, turned to idols, and complained for meat.
We live in a fallen world that is corrupted and cursed. This is not our permanent home and as such is not meant to be safe, comfortable, or hospitable apart from the presence of God. Israel still hadn't learned this lesson or they would have already crossed the Jordan long before. This incident was just another example in a long line of mistakes by Israel in failing to trust and remain content with God's provision. |
see here, this is what separates the believers from the non. It seems to the believers that this story makes perfect sense. To the non-believers this is just incredulous. How could anyone sin or complain when god HISSELF is right there. That is why this story is more bull shit.
Obviously since the believers think this really happened and the non believers can't imagine how it could have, this would lead one to readily establish a certain level of comprehensive ability to each. |
When the plane is in trouble, trust the pilot to land safely. Taking the wheel or jumping out is certain death.
There's no need to freak when the God of the universe is in control. The key for Israel was to trust Him by faith and obey. After all, A GIANT CLOUD OF FIRE PARTED THE RED SEA AN BURIED THE EGYPTIAN ARMY!! You see, from God's perspective, they should have remembered that and appreciated it for what it was. And this God who did that, was taking complete care of their every need with water and manna. All they had to do was obey Him, and they could of crossed the Jordan into the "land flowing with milk and honey" and filled their greedy little bellies. |
As expected you ignored the obviousness of the post. Having God right there would make it impossible for people to sin. The only obvious truth to this is God was NOT there as this is a horribly ridiculous story that only truly ignorant people would have believed, and they did because they were truly ignorant people. And apparently there are still plenty of those around.
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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From your perspective, you've got some valid points to put God in His place when you meet Him. Unfortunately, yours is of the "me human first" viewpoint that, while popular, has no moral position or authority before the Creator who will judge by His perfect standard. We do not meet that standard and require pardon. |
But the "me human first" viewpoint is the only one we have to work with, ergo it's the one we shall work with.
So, from our viewpoint (it being the only viewpoint) God committed an atrocity.
Thus, God is the angry mailman in all of us.
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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As expected you ignored the obviousness of the post. Having God right there would make it impossible for people to sin. The only obvious truth to this is God was NOT there as this is a horribly ridiculous story that only truly ignorant people would have believed, and they did because they were truly ignorant people. And apparently there are still plenty of those around. |
The entire bible as a whole is the account of how God was "right there" generation after generation and Israel followed their own path. It always fell to mere handfuls of people who walked with God. It was the same in Noah's day, Moses' day, Joshua's day, Samuel's day, David's day, The prophets, Jesus, Paul, and so on. Mankind hasn't changed one iota since Babel. |
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| Missionary wrote: | | aitm wrote: |
As expected you ignored the obviousness of the post. Having God right there would make it impossible for people to sin. The only obvious truth to this is God was NOT there as this is a horribly ridiculous story that only truly ignorant people would have believed, and they did because they were truly ignorant people. And apparently there are still plenty of those around. |
The entire bible as a whole is the account of how God was "right there" generation after generation and Israel followed their own path. It always fell to mere handfuls of people who walked with God. It was the same in Noah's day, Moses' day, Joshua's day, Samuel's day, David's day, The prophets, Jesus, Paul, and so on. Mankind hasn't changed one iota since Babel. |
And harry potter is a whole account of how a boy became a wizard, showing us that there literally are magical powers that certain humans are born with.
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aitm
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| Missionary wrote: | | aitm wrote: |
As expected you ignored the obviousness of the post. Having God right there would make it impossible for people to sin. The only obvious truth to this is God was NOT there as this is a horribly ridiculous story that only truly ignorant people would have believed, and they did because they were truly ignorant people. And apparently there are still plenty of those around. |
The entire bible as a whole is the account of how God was "right there" generation after generation and Israel followed their own path. It always fell to mere handfuls of people who walked with God. It was the same in Noah's day, Moses' day, Joshua's day, Samuel's day, David's day, The prophets, Jesus, Paul, and so on. Mankind hasn't changed one iota since Babel. |
My point exactly. Come on missionary, yer telling me that you would flaunt god in his very face? Nonsense, the whole thing is so obviously bullshit that I have a hard time being considerate of your feelings. You cannot convince any rational, sane person that God himself while appearing in person cannot control mankind. THis is astoundingly ridiculous on so many levels.
Show me a god that recieves no respect and I in turn will show you, NO GOD.
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| EvilEggCracker wrote: | | Missionary wrote: |
From your perspective, you've got some valid points to put God in His place when you meet Him. Unfortunately, yours is of the "me human first" viewpoint that, while popular, has no moral position or authority before the Creator who will judge by His perfect standard. We do not meet that standard and require pardon. |
But the "me human first" viewpoint is the only one we have to work with, ergo it's the one we shall work with.
So, from our viewpoint (it being the only viewpoint) God committed an atrocity.
Thus, God is the angry mailman in all of us. |
A 2-year old gets frustrated, angry, and lashes out because he/she doesn't understand the big picture and is only focused on their little mind's world view. However the parent knows what's best. Even when the child's 'gods' are in sight they rebel and choose their own way, ignorant of the consequences. |
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aitm
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Missionary wrote: | | EvilEggCracker wrote: | | Missionary wrote: |
From your perspective, you've got some valid points to put God in His place when you meet Him. Unfortunately, yours is of the "me human first" viewpoint that, while popular, has no moral position or authority before the Creator who will judge by His perfect standard. We do not meet that standard and require pardon. |
But the "me human first" viewpoint is the only one we have to work with, ergo it's the one we shall work with.
So, from our viewpoint (it being the only viewpoint) God committed an atrocity.
Thus, God is the angry mailman in all of us. |
A 2-year old gets frustrated, angry, and lashes out because he/she doesn't understand the big picture and is only focused on their little mind's world view. However the parent knows what's best. Even when the child's 'gods' are in sight they rebel and choose their own way, ignorant of the consequences. |
That is such a poor argumnent that I cannot believe you used it. Sorry, you just dropped to nothing on the "consideration" scale.
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| aitm wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | aitm wrote: |
As expected you ignored the obviousness of the post. Having God right there would make it impossible for people to sin. The only obvious truth to this is God was NOT there as this is a horribly ridiculous story that only truly ignorant people would have believed, and they did because they were truly ignorant people. And apparently there are still plenty of those around. |
The entire bible as a whole is the account of how God was "right there" generation after generation and Israel followed their own path. It always fell to mere handfuls of people who walked with God. It was the same in Noah's day, Moses' day, Joshua's day, Samuel's day, David's day, The prophets, Jesus, Paul, and so on. Mankind hasn't changed one iota since Babel. |
My point exactly. Come on missionary, yer telling me that you would flaunt god in his very face? Nonsense, the whole thing is so obviously bullshit that I have a hard time being considerate of your feelings. You cannot convince any rational, sane person that God himself while appearing in person cannot control mankind. THis is astoundingly ridiculous on so many levels.
Show me a god that recieves no respect and I in turn will show you, NO GOD. |
The disobedience of a child is how the bible illustrates this situation. Children disobey naturally. We have to teach, affirm, reaffirm, and discipline. Still it often fails to corral the rebellion. |
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| Well why do you think God calls us little children? because man acts like a 2 yo throwing tantrums. |
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aitm
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| Quote: | | The disobedience of a child is how the bible illustrates this situation. Children disobey naturally. We have to teach, affirm, reaffirm, and discipline. Still it often fails to corral the rebellion. |
oh, I get it, all the jews were actually children, well, hell , why didn't the bible tell us that. Damn kids were right innovative and smart then for being only two or so. Damn what happened to human intelligence eh? must be DE-evolution.
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