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Newman
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| SpecterOpacus wrote: | | aitm wrote: | | Oh come on Spector, the historians are Luther, Wesley, Smith, Farwell, Robertson, Graham, and the scholars are,,er,,,,,um........Luther, Wesley, Smith,Farwell, Robertson and Graham,,,sheesh, that was easy. Whatsa matter, you don't trust historians and scholars? |
I don't get how he's all like CAN'T TRUST SCIENTISTS CAUSE SOME DON'T AGREE whereas he's all like WELL HISTORIANS ALL AGREE ON THIS! while ignoring those who don't.
Fucking shit. |
not sure you understand his point on science as it really not what your saying, but thats another post
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| Newman wrote: | | SpecterOpacus wrote: | | aitm wrote: | | Oh come on Spector, the historians are Luther, Wesley, Smith, Farwell, Robertson, Graham, and the scholars are,,er,,,,,um........Luther, Wesley, Smith,Farwell, Robertson and Graham,,,sheesh, that was easy. Whatsa matter, you don't trust historians and scholars? |
I don't get how he's all like CAN'T TRUST SCIENTISTS CAUSE SOME DON'T AGREE whereas he's all like WELL HISTORIANS ALL AGREE ON THIS! while ignoring those who don't.
Fucking shit. |
not sure you understand his point on science as it really not what your saying, but thats another post |
Sure whatever you say.
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| SpecterOpacus wrote: | | aitm wrote: | | Oh come on Spector, the historians are Luther, Wesley, Smith, Farwell, Robertson, Graham, and the scholars are,,er,,,,,um........Luther, Wesley, Smith,Farwell, Robertson and Graham,,,sheesh, that was easy. Whatsa matter, you don't trust historians and scholars? |
I don't get how he's all like CAN'T TRUST SCIENTISTS CAUSE SOME DON'T AGREE whereas he's all like WELL HISTORIANS ALL AGREE ON THIS! while ignoring those who don't.
Fucking shit. |
hmmmm  I sense a sence of (sense a sense?) (oy) annoyance. Perhaps this is due to a poor childhood disorder. Tell me, did you go to school? AHA!! That is the problem, you are educated. This is easily cured by quaffin large quantities of alcohol or drugs until you lose all your worldly possesions, then once you hit the very bottom of the sewer, you can be welcomed back into society by granting a non-existant deity into your life and proclaiming "EUREKA" at the top of your lungs.
Interesting side note here, ya see, while those who don't believe in god won't believe you,, those who DO believe in god won't believe you either....really,,try being more righteous than they are,, see how that works for ya......hehehh
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There is no stable evidence to support the existence of the biblical Jesus.
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Jimminy christmas this is like the third time I have seen someone link to that thread. If I had know it was going to be a reference tool I wouldn't have accepted that wad of cash Mr._C gave me to let him beat me.
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| Philosophos wrote: | Militant yet apathetic agnostic. There's been no solid case presented by either side to date. And unless new discoveries are made, I doubt there ever will be.
And while I may be willing to give Carrier's book a go when it comes out, I'm not really interested too much in the argument anymore. I don't really think it matters whether Jesus existed or not. |
This pretty much sums me up too. |
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| romans120 wrote: | | Jimminy christmas this is like the third time I have seen someone link to that thread. If I had know it was going to be a reference tool I wouldn't have accepted that wad of cash Mr._C gave me to let him beat me. |
That isn't why he gave you the cash, romans...
I thought you knew.
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christianity probably originated in the asia minor region(the writings of paul that predate the gospels which contain geographical errors support this). Christianity is the result of the syncretistic mixture of pagan savior god mythology (reference the mystery religions) and Jewish messianic thought(probably influenced by the Essenes) which explains why there is NO mention of a Jesus in Jewish historical records of the time. The probability that there was a historical Jesus is infinitesimally small. christina a knight
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| tinaanne11 wrote: | | christianity probably originated in the asia minor region(the writings of paul that predate the gospels which contain geographical support this). Christianity is the result of the syncretistic mixture of pagan savior god(reference the mystery religions) and Jewish messianic thought(probably influenced by the Essenes) which explains why there is NO mention of a Jesus in Jewish historical records of the time. The probability that there was a historical Jesus is infinitesimally small. christina a knight |
you are spamming this same post over and over again. you are either a bot or a spammer.
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Jimminy christmas this is like the third time I have seen someone link to that thread. If I had know it was going to be a reference tool I wouldn't have accepted that wad of cash Mr._C gave me to let him beat me. |
MMMMMM HMMM.... lol... 
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baddogma
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Did Jesus exist? |
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| Newman wrote: | I would like present a question and would like you to be as elaborate as you wish with the answer, obviously interested in the Atheist opinions as we know Theist.
Try to save the "yes I knew a kid name Jesus in grade school" jokes 
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The one in the bible.......I would say NO. No contemporary evidence outside the bible and WAY too much was copied from other savior figures from other cultures.
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Mounting evidence suggests no. He did not.
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Did Jesus exist? |
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| Newman wrote: | I would like present a question and would like you to be as elaborate as you wish with the answer, obviously interested in the Atheist opinions as we know Theist.
Try to save the "yes I knew a kid name Jesus in grade school" jokes
would like to know your true opinion or stance on this. |
If there were a person like a Jesus who existed historically two thousand years ago, I seriously doubt it was the likes of the Jesus in the Bible. The Jesus in the bible defies all manner of logic and his life resembles that of a spiritual fairy tale that can only be believed by the gullible. |
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| I believe he existed as a preacher of what he believed in. However, I don't believe he rose from the dead, multiplied food, turned water to wine and other myths. Quite frankly, I'm not sure if he was even crucified because there have been so many other so called crucified saviors in the past. |
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caseagainstfaith
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| Chubz wrote: | | I believe he existed as a preacher of what he believed in. |
That is the more common view. But, as it turns out, there isn't really any good evidence for this view.
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