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The Atheist's Obsession With God
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Missionary
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

I think if God really does that so often, there'd be a lot less atheists.

I don't know man. There were lots of people watching Noah build that boat. I imagine it was alot like this forum. Laughing, mocking, flinging poo.

SpecterOpacus
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject:

Missionary wrote:

SpecterOpacus wrote:

He doesn't even state which physicists are saying this.

Dr. Paul Davies, Physicist and Astrobiologist, Professor at Arizona State University...It's on his site at the link I posted for you. You should read the whole article.

It's an eye opener.

Not that. He doesn't state which physicists are making the claims he says they are in the article. I read the whole thing. I see problems with what he is saying. No one is really saying, "THERE ARE LAWS OUTSIDE OF OUR UNIVERSE ETCETC," with even any amount of certainty. I don't even know what they mean by that. Multiverse from what I've seen can kinda be deduced by math, but I don't really deal with that since my understanding ogf math is limited. I work better with concepts.
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Raggle Fraggle
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

I think if God really does that so often, there'd be a lot less atheists.

I don't know man. There were lots of people watching Noah build that boat. I imagine it was alot like this forum. Laughing, mocking, flinging poo.

And instead of god showing that Noah wasn't crazy and pointed out the error of their ways, he massacred everyone on earth except for Noah's family. I don't like that story very much.
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Missionary
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

I think if God really does that so often, there'd be a lot less atheists.

I don't know man. There were lots of people watching Noah build that boat. I imagine it was alot like this forum. Laughing, mocking, flinging poo.

And instead of god showing that Noah wasn't crazy and pointed out the error of their ways, he massacred everyone on earth except for Noah's family. I don't like that story very much.

It's like I said before. God was very clear that the penalty for sin was death. In His mercy, God Himself atoned for Adam's sin with a temporary substitute and covered them with skins. Genesis 5 records the genealogy from Adam to Noah. The ark took years to build. God gave them time to exercise faith just like He patiently gives us our entire lives to choose. The thing is? We don't know the day or hour when our time to choose ends. When God shut the door on the ark the time had expired. They had years to cease their mocking of Noah and could have gotten on the boat. They did not. That was their choice.

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject:

Missionary wrote:

SpecterOpacus wrote:

You don't know fucking shit about the theory of evolution.

Or you're a troll.

Oh don't get we wrong, I'm certain you've run all the lab and confirmed everything. You're probably not one of those types that just reads science websites for all your info. I trust you and all, cuz you've probably got a PhD in human skulls or something. Me? I'm waiting on the International Consortium For Evolutionary Information to make their joint announcement to the world via satellite with the Silver Bullet[s] and SMOKIN'GUN evidence that will nail this coffin shut once and for all. Of course, if they have the evidence.

The theory of evolution can be derived with very simple observations Rolling Eyes

it doesn't take any form of education to figure it out.

Observations:

1. Children are not perfect replicas of their parents, but they inherit traits.

2. Some traits grant the organisms that have them an advantage.

3. Those with the advantage given by this trait will more likely live to reproduce, and thus, pass on the trait (survival of the fittest).

4. If you extrapolate our system over a long time, eventually the traits that give the higher reproduction chance are going to become more common than those that do not.

...and that is the theory of evolution. It says absolutely nothing about the origin of life, and if the world is <10,000 years old as you claim ( Laughing

), then it is still happening anyway. You are completely missing the fucking point, evolution and creationism try to describe two entirely different things.

What you should be worried about are theories involving organic compounds in earth's early atmosphere and self-replicating mechanisms.
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Raggle Fraggle
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

I think if God really does that so often, there'd be a lot less atheists.

I don't know man. There were lots of people watching Noah build that boat. I imagine it was alot like this forum. Laughing, mocking, flinging poo.

And instead of god showing that Noah wasn't crazy and pointed out the error of their ways, he massacred everyone on earth except for Noah's family. I don't like that story very much.

But if god just wants us to believe in him without evidence, he wants us to be gullible. When we're gullible we could get lost and believe in another god which would make him even more mad. Honestly, I think that god must love to be angry. He's up in heaven like, "I hate murders, thieves, and gay people. Why don't I make some, blame them for their sins, and send them to hell?" Do you not see how crazy that is?
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Missionary
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject:

SpecterOpacus wrote:

Missionary wrote:

SpecterOpacus wrote:

He doesn't even state which physicists are saying this.

Dr. Paul Davies, Physicist and Astrobiologist, Professor at Arizona State University...It's on his site at the link I posted for you. You should read the whole article.

It's an eye opener.

Here's his .edu website. Both his articles are on there to the right. LINK: http://cosmos.asu.edu/

EDIT: The other link was a followup. This was his original article in the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/opinion/24davies.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

I think if God really does that so often, there'd be a lot less atheists.

I don't know man. There were lots of people watching Noah build that boat. I imagine it was alot like this forum. Laughing, mocking, flinging poo.

And instead of god showing that Noah wasn't crazy and pointed out the error of their ways, he massacred everyone on earth except for Noah's family. I don't like that story very much.

and I can tell you confidently that nowhere in the book of Genesis does it say that death is the penalty for sin.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject:

Page 90 of the clusterfuck. _________________ I'm not insane, at least that's what the voices in my head tell me.

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject:

See you kids on page 100 tomorrow afternoon. _________________ "Setting people on fire is wrong." -Todd "Squee" Casil.

Missionary
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject:

Raskolnikov wrote:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

Missionary wrote:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

I think if God really does that so often, there'd be a lot less atheists.

I don't know man. There were lots of people watching Noah build that boat. I imagine it was alot like this forum. Laughing, mocking, flinging poo.

And instead of god showing that Noah wasn't crazy and pointed out the error of their ways, he massacred everyone on earth except for Noah's family. I don't like that story very much.

and I can tell you confidently that nowhere in the book of Genesis does it say that death is the penalty for sin.

Note:

Genesis 2:16-17 (KJV)
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God wasn't warning Adam that the fruit was poisonous, It was a commandment. Disobedience is sin. The penalty for disobedience is spiritual death. The affects of sin cause natural death and separation from God. God has moral authority to judge righteously and as a result can (and has) dispensed immediate justice (physical death). However He is patient, kind, and merciful and offers time for repentance (to change course), atonement (a substitute death), and forgiveness (absolution of all charges).

Here's an example:

Say you and I both run a red light and get caught. We are both guilty-caught red handed. Case closed.

1) I go to the governor (I do not know him or have connections), admit my guilt and ask for a pardon. He decides by his grace and mercy and grants me a pardon before my court date. My charges are dismissed.

2) I tell you how the governor granted my pardon and suggest you appeal to him as well. You tell me, "I don't believe in the governor".

3) So, you do not go to the governor. You have a court date coming up. You will face the judge and be subject to the law.

God's pardon not only annuls the past charges against you, but also grants you full immunity to future charges. If that immunity is abused, one can expect God's discipline, but the immunity is irrevocable nonetheless. Once you are saved and forgiven, that pardon is sealed for eternity against any or all future claims. You belong to God forever.

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject:

Missionary wrote:

Here's an example:

Say you and I both run a red light and get caught. We are both guilty-caught red handed. Case closed.

1) I go to the governor (I do not know him or have connections), admit my guilt and ask for a pardon. He decides by his grace and mercy and grants me a pardon before my court date. My charges are dismissed.

2) I tell you how the governor granted my pardon and suggest you appeal to him as well. You tell me, "I don't believe in the governor".

3) So, you do not go to the governor. You have a court date coming up. You will face the judge and be subject to the law.

That's totally different. I've actually seen my governor. He's revealed himself. A better analogy would be of a governor hiding under his desk for his entire term, with no outside contact except to homeless people he meets on the walk home. He thinks (not tells you) that he will offer you forgiveness and when you get convicted of a misdemeanor or whatever and you're like WTF!?, he says, "I offered you a chance at redemption and you rejected me."
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject:

Oh christ. Not another one of these fucken things. looks for funny pictures to post elsewhere

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject:

Raggle Fraggle wrote:

Missionary wrote:

kissing hanks ass.

google it, if you don;t know it. you too, Miss.
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Raggle Fraggle
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject:

Moloth wrote:

kissing hanks ass.

google it, if you don;t know it. you too, Miss.

I love that. Laughing

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