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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Grand Canyon Arguement...
...Okay, so as I wander around the youtube, going from music to atheist debate to music to w/e... I came across alot of people saying the Grand Cayons PROVE creationism, and DISPROVE "EVILlution".
While they are clearly ignorant of...basically anything that revolves around science, besides the scewed info their preachers give them, HOW could the Grand Canyons disprove evolution? Geology, I can see them SOMEHOW getting at, but "EVILoution"? Not so much.
Isn't there evidence, besides common sense and looking at the rest of the world, that water, flowing in that area for millions of years, caused it to sink in like that? If any one would have some good articles on why the Grand Canyons do NOT prove the flood story, it would be nice to have them, to pull out on people who would argue otherwise.
Thanks! _________________ The best arguement against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill
"Là où il y avait la foi, il est maintenant raison!" -Shiranu
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From Part 1 of my favorite Youtube series entitled "Why Do People Laugh At Creationists?" Deals with my creepy-meter red zone Christian, VenomFangX, and the Grand Canyon argument. _________________ Easy on the zeal Churchos… I've got something to say.
Don't you get it? It's all Christianity, people!
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joshuas3521 Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject:
Amberli wrote:
Awesome.
I'm ninjaing that smiley...
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject:
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHH!!! What a moron! And they have the nerve to wonder why we skeptics don't take them seriously! _________________ Kryten: Don't you believe that God exists in all things? Aren't you a Pantheist?
Lister: Yeah, I just don't think it applies to kitchen utensils. I'm not a Fryingpantheist.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:38 am Post subject:
I'm up to #12 in the series and I just can't comprehend the level of stupidity one must attain to believe some of the shit that Creationists believe. These preachers can spout off any old steaming pile of nonsense, and NOBODY in the audience will ever bother to look up the information to see if they're telling the truth. They simply swallow it whole--hook, line, sinker, boat, angler, and the latest copy of "Field and Stream." _________________ Kryten: Don't you believe that God exists in all things? Aren't you a Pantheist?
Lister: Yeah, I just don't think it applies to kitchen utensils. I'm not a Fryingpantheist.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:56 am Post subject:
i'm not sure but I think the grand canyon argument has more to do with geological columns that seem to be inconsistent with uniformitarianism that are found there. I can't remember though where I read that _________________ The Resident Theist
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:58 am Post subject:
romans120 wrote:
i'm not sure but I think the grand canyon argument has more to do with geological columns that seem to be inconsistent with uniformitarianism that are found there. I can't remember though where I read that
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:15 am Post subject:
Moloth wrote:
romans120 wrote:
i'm not sure but I think the grand canyon argument has more to do with geological columns that seem to be inconsistent with uniformitarianism that are found there. I can't remember though where I read that
it probably was on an Christian apologetics site... and not written by a geologist.
My suspicion is I was reading Henry Morris since he and Whitcomb are the only ones I read. Henry Morris is hydrologist (I think he may even possess a doctorate in that field) anywho he has written textbooks for that discipline.
edit: I don't go to any websites much except here and occasionally IG unless I'm shopping for something, on rare rare occasions I go see whats going on on TWEB. Before AF my computer was just a glorified typewriter and internet was just for research when I needed to fill space for a paper.
edit2: thanks for the nice comment on my weblog I attribute a lot of my own personal growth as a result of our discussions and I really appreciate being accepted even though our world views are opposed to each other. _________________ The Resident Theist
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:34 am Post subject:
romans120 wrote:
Moloth wrote:
romans120 wrote:
i'm not sure but I think the grand canyon argument has more to do with geological columns that seem to be inconsistent with uniformitarianism that are found there. I can't remember though where I read that
it probably was on an Christian apologetics site... and not written by a geologist.
My suspicion is I was reading Henry Morris since he and Whitcomb are the only ones I read. Henry Morris is hydrologist (I think he may even possess a doctorate in that field) anywho he has written textbooks for that discipline.
edit: I don't go to any websites much except here and occasionally IG unless I'm shopping for something, on rare rare occasions I go see whats going on on TWEB. Before AF my computer was just a glorified typewriter and internet was just for research when I needed to fill space for a paper.
really?
heh.. this place is addictive, ain't it?
just keep in mind that through geological upheavals, layers CAN and DO get jumbled sometimes. its not a totally uniform stack of layers over the entire surface of the earth. volcanoes, earthquake, erosion, floods (don't.... say it.), and plate tectonics can bend, twist and fold layers of rock and sediment.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:21 am Post subject:
I dont understand the grand canyon argument..what do they think proves that the flood happened?
and lol at VFX, today in the newspaper there were photos of the ice caps on Mars and news that they ran deeper than expected so water will be further below the surface than previously thought elsewhere on the planet...
He is truly demented... _________________ “That's all it takes to be a hero, a little gem of innocence inside you that makes you want to believe that there still exists a right and wrong, that decency will somehow triumph in the end”
I dont understand the grand canyon argument..what do they think proves that the flood happened?
and lol at VFX, today in the newspaper there were photos of the ice caps on Mars and news that they ran deeper than expected so water will be further below the surface than previously thought elsewhere on the planet...
He is truly demented...
So, I went looking for ice caps on mars. Pretty cool. This was funny though...LINK
Quote:
Unsolved puzzles
These findings present a new scientific mystery to those who thought they had a good idea of how the atmospheres of the inner planets compared to each other. Planetary scientists had assumed that Earth, Venus, and Mars are similar in the total carbon dioxide content, with Earth having most of its carbon dioxide locked up in marine carbonates and Venus's carbon dioxide being in the atmosphere and causing the runaway greenhouse effect. By contrast, the 8-meter layer on the south polar ice cap on Mars means the planet has only a small fraction of the carbon dioxide found on Earth and Venus.
The new findings further pose the question of how Mars could have been warm and wet to begin with??. Working backward(HAHAHA), one would assume (AGAIN??) that there was once sufficient carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to trap enough solar energy to warm the planet, but there's not enough carbon dioxide locked in the poles for this to clearly have been the case. There could be other explanations.It could be that Mars was a cold, wet planet; or it could be that the subterranean plumbing would allow for liquid water to be sealed off underneath the surface. In one such scenario, perhaps the water flowed underneath a layer of ice and formed the channels and other erosion features. Then, perhaps, the ice sublimated away, to be eventually redeposited at the poles.
HAHAHA!! I love it when science speaks. They're so...certain! HAHAHA!
joshuas3521 Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 1991 Local time: 9:46 PM
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject:
Missionary wrote:
HAHAHA!! I love it when science speaks. They're so...certain! HAHAHA!
You, my friend, are a fucking idiot.
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