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Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
What the hell lol So people get burned alive for complaining about their living situations?
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i think the LAWD just likes to burn things, it isnt his fault he is a pyromaniac, its just how his god made him
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Oh, there are plenty of things that God hates. Fred Phelps is an expert on these sorts of things, go ask him.
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| Everybody dislikes a whiner. Can't pin that one on religion lol. |
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reading the OT I woulda kilted all them jews too, damn bunch of fuckin whiners whores and other assorted nuts.
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Somehow, I remember hearing something about how he cares about our problems "no matter how small" 
Guess this was just supposed to be taken as a metaphor 
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| Raskolnikov wrote: | Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
What the hell lol So people get burned alive for complaining about their living situations? |
Keep in mind that God had delivered them from the bondage of slavery in Egypt and was leading them to the Promised Land. He had not only performed incredible miracles before their eyes, but had also hovered over them continuously as a cloud by day and a fire by night. He had protected them from enemies, kept them fed, clothed, and hydrated. He was their provider and protector. And yet, after all that they disobeyed, turned to idols, and complained for meat.
We live in a fallen world that is corrupted and cursed. This is not our permanent home and as such is not meant to be safe, comfortable, or hospitable apart from the presence of God. Israel still hadn't learned this lesson or they would have already crossed the Jordan long before. This incident was just another example in a long line of mistakes by Israel in failing to trust and remain content with God's provision. |
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Shiranu
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*smack head*
You do believe God is "perfect", correct? Do you believe he is loving, caring, a good man, etc. etc?
Now, tell me how you can say "Ok, well, he is perfect/good/loving, and you know... he just got annoyed, so he killed his followers."
Once agian, I will pull to a story to try and get it through to you, consider it a modern parabol.
"A hard working, God-fearing man, lives in Chicago. He has a decent job at the GM factory creating what ever they make, decent pay, and has a wife and 3 kids. One week though, they start saying, "Daddy, can we go to Hawai'i?" , and he says, "Maybe later". This happesn for about 2-3 weeks, and its not like the familiy is straped for money, they are living comfortable, his job has provided them with many luxeries.
However, on the 3rd week, things go haywire. He comes home from work, and the first word out of his children's mouth is, "Hey, have you thought about us going to Hawai'i any more?"... and he SNAPS! He grabs his children, throws them in the oven, and cranks it up. Then he turns to his wife, and in cold blood decapitates her.
Why does he do these things? Because his family were ungrateful for all he did, of course! It is COMPLETELY reasonable, for they were so blessed, the good job that got them food, housing, safety, etc. etc... how DARE they complain?"
This is what you said God did, that he lost his temper at his OWN CHILDREN WHO HE JUST SAVED, and burnt them because he got annoyed. How can you tell me that a loving, perfect god could just LOSE his temper and kill his disciples? That seems to defeat perfection, if your being so petty and vindicitive as that, does it not?
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| Shiranu wrote: | *smack head*
You do believe God is "perfect", correct? Do you believe he is loving, caring, a good man, etc. etc?
Now, tell me how you can say "Ok, well, he is perfect/good/loving, and you know... he just got annoyed, so he killed his followers."
Once agian, I will pull to a story to try and get it through to you, consider it a modern parabol.
"A hard working, God-fearing man, lives in Chicago. He has a decent job at the GM factory creating what ever they make, decent pay, and has a wife and 3 kids. One week though, they start saying, "Daddy, can we go to Hawai'i?" , and he says, "Maybe later". This happesn for about 2-3 weeks, and its not like the familiy is straped for money, they are living comfortable, his job has provided them with many luxeries.
However, on the 3rd week, things go haywire. He comes home from work, and the first word out of his children's mouth is, "Hey, have you thought about us going to Hawai'i any more?"... and he SNAPS! He grabs his children, throws them in the oven, and cranks it up. Then he turns to his wife, and in cold blood decapitates her.
Why does he do these things? Because his family were ungrateful for all he did, of course! It is COMPLETELY reasonable, for they were so blessed, the good job that got them food, housing, safety, etc. etc... how DARE they complain?"
This is what you said God did, that he lost his temper at his OWN CHILDREN WHO HE JUST SAVED, and burnt them because he got annoyed. How can you tell me that a loving, perfect god could just LOSE his temper and kill his disciples? That seems to defeat perfection, if your being so petty and vindicitive as that, does it not? |
The problem that most people have in reconciling God's moral attributes is that they can only see the circumstances/resolution from the limited view of human perspective. Your analogy is a perfect example of this limitation. You assume God is agitated or irritated and simply snaps. This is just not the case.
God has been very clear; "the soul that sins shall surely die". Death is the penalty for sin and that punishment is swift and justified. The good news is that God is loving and merciful and as a result offers time for repentance (a change of direction), atonement (a substitutionary death), and forgiveness (the absolution of sin). When these offers of mercy are repeatably refused or ignored then God is within His right to execute judgment.
It's no different really in our court systems. A first offense may bring a warning. Second offense a fine and suspended sentence. Third time your getting locked up. God is patient and kind. When He has warned repeatedly, offered a resolution, and disciplined or punished only to be disobeyed again? That can and will result in loss of life.
The thing is? You also are looking at it as though "this life" is it. From God's perspective, this life you are living is only to prepare for eternal life. Therefore, once a person gets to the point of complete and utter rejection of God? That person may be a candidate for early withdrawal. |
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| In that case, withdraw me, God, from your 'master plan'. |
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aitm
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| Missionary wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
What the hell lol So people get burned alive for complaining about their living situations? |
Keep in mind that God had delivered them from the bondage of slavery in Egypt and was leading them to the Promised Land. He had not only performed incredible miracles before their eyes, but had also hovered over them continuously as a cloud by day and a fire by night. He had protected them from enemies, kept them fed, clothed, and hydrated. He was their provider and protector. And yet, after all that they disobeyed, turned to idols, and complained for meat.
We live in a fallen world that is corrupted and cursed. This is not our permanent home and as such is not meant to be safe, comfortable, or hospitable apart from the presence of God. Israel still hadn't learned this lesson or they would have already crossed the Jordan long before. This incident was just another example in a long line of mistakes by Israel in failing to trust and remain content with God's provision. |
see here, this is what separates the believers from the non. It seems to the believers that this story makes perfect sense. To the non-believers this is just incredulous. How could anyone sin or complain when god HISSELF is right there. That is why this story is more bull shit.
Obviously since the believers think this really happened and the non believers can't imagine how it could have, this would lead one to readily establish a certain level of comprehensive ability to each.
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hillbillyatheist
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
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yeah why would you worship a false god (idol) when the real deal was floating over your head in a blazing fire cloud that shot down fire beams at anyone that made even the slightest error?
maybe they were trying to find a new god to escape the jealous controlling abusive one, and god like many abusive partners, stalks and kills your ass. amen. |
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ApostateLois
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| Quote: | | The problem that most people have in reconciling God's moral attributes is that they can only see the circumstances/resolution from the limited view of human perspective. Your analogy is a perfect example of this limitation. You assume God is agitated or irritated and simply snaps. This is just not the case. |
So, you don't think burning people alive just for complaining is a bit...I dunno...extreme? I would think that a loving, kind, compassionate god would find some less abusive and terrifying way to punish people...or he would meet their needs so that they wouldn't have to complain...or he wouldn't have sent them into slavery for 400 years and then forgot about them in the first place.
| Quote: | | God has been very clear; "the soul that sins shall surely die". |
God said that if Adam and Eve ate from a certain fruit tree, they would surely die in that very day. Didn't happen, they went on to live over 900 years. God's promises don't amount to a pile of cow poo in the Bible.
| Quote: | | maybe they were trying to find a new god to escape the jealous controlling abusive one, and god like many abusive partners, stalks and kills your ass. amen. |
Good point, my fine fiddlin' friend.  Can't blame them one bit. At least a golden calf idol isn't going to zap you with brimstone at every opportunity.
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You think Yahweh is bad? Try Allah. Now there is a loon.
But there again, he was Mohammad's alter ego. And he was a mad as hell.
He turned a harmless rock idol into a homicidal maniac.
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Re: God hates complaints? |
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| Raskolnikov wrote: | Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
What the hell lol So people get burned alive for complaining about their living situations? |
Yahweh was indeed a very unreasonable landlord ! |
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