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josephpalazzo
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| Missionary wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: |
Sin has meaning only in a religious context.
What I'm saying is that religion IS the virus. In another analogy, religion is an ideology, along with nazism, communism, etc. It's also a dangerous ideology, that lends itself to violence and atrocities. |
"Sin has meaning only in a religious context" is a non-believers unwillingness to *consider the possibility* that any and every ideology has a single source of infection whose symptoms include religion, nazis, communism, hate, war, difference, intolerance, crime, drug addiction, etc.
Look at how one can easy correlate a constant reference between all those symptoms I mentioned...self centered me-ism.
One single person breeds a prideful arrogant greed.
Brings like minded together
forms in group/out group
in group seeks to dominate out group
resistance leads to war
The application can be made to any circumstance:
individual criminal vs. a victim
oppressor/oppressed
street gang/rival gang
civil war
border conflict
political party
religion
but the same dynamics apply. ME > Group > out group > conflict. |
And how with your simpleton theory of human behavior do you explain the ascetic?? |
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Missionary
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: |
And how with your simpleton theory of human behavior do you explain the ascetic?? |
Could be one of two things. Self-denial motivated by the desire to attain righteousness; ie. self-righteousness, which is sin.
The second is the person could be a Nazarite in which case the lifestyle is ordained of God and that person becomes an instrument of righteousness to be used of God for His purposes. That latter is extremely rare even by biblical standards, most probably does not exist today, and therefore the majority of cases will fall to the former. |
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Missionary wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: |
And how with your simpleton theory of human behavior do you explain the ascetic?? |
Could be one of two things. Self-denial motivated by the desire to attain righteousness; ie. self-righteousness, which is sin.
The second is the person could be a Nazarite in which case the lifestyle is ordained of God and that person becomes an instrument of righteousness to be used of God for His purposes. That latter is extremely rare even by biblical standards, most probably does not exist today, and therefore the majority of cases will fall to the former. |
IOW, your simpleton theory of human behavior can't... |
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ApostateLois
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On another forum, a Christian said that we should respect the beliefs of others. I pointed out that the only time Christians say this is when their own beliefs are being ridiculed. They, themselves, are not much inclined to show respect for the beliefs of Muslims, Hindus, pagans, Wiccans, deists, etc. You cannot respect someone's beliefs if you are accusing them of being hell-bound for those same beliefs.
Besides, why should I respect someone's beliefs? I might respect them as a person, but does mean I have to show respect for whatever crackpot religious/spiritual notions they might have? What if they believe there are invisible elves in the back garden? What if they think there's an alien spaceship coming for them behind the next passing comet? Should I respect that? I might respect the person by not openly calling them an idiot and suggesting psychotherapy, but I sure as hell won't give their beliefs the least bit of consideration.
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Missionary
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ApostateLois wrote: | On another forum, a Christian said that we should respect the beliefs of others. I pointed out that the only time Christians say this is when their own beliefs are being ridiculed. They, themselves, are not much inclined to show respect for the beliefs of Muslims, Hindus, pagans, Wiccans, deists, etc. You cannot respect someone's beliefs if you are accusing them of being hell-bound for those same beliefs.
Besides, why should I respect someone's beliefs? I might respect them as a person, but does mean I have to show respect for whatever crackpot religious/spiritual notions they might have? What if they believe there are invisible elves in the back garden? What if they think there's an alien spaceship coming for them behind the next passing comet? Should I respect that? I might respect the person by not openly calling them an idiot and suggesting psychotherapy, but I sure as hell won't give their beliefs the least bit of consideration. |
Treating people with dignity, respect, and kindness furthers in forging genuine friendships which foster environments where two people understand one another and remain friends even when they disagree. |
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Shiranu
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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That was a post full of pointlessness.
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