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Anonymous1138
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A friend of mine was Muslim raised, and was punished on numerous occasions for masturbation(which is considered a sacrilege).
I agree with Professor Dawkins.
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monkeybyte
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Thread necromancy aside, hello there, cousin anon. Hope you stick around and put out some juicy chanology threads.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Dawkins goes a tad overboard, again |
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Dawkins: "Yes. What would you think of parents who forced their children to accept their politics, or their taste in architecture? Have you ever heard anyone speak of a "Leninist child" or a "Postmodernist child"? Of course not. Why, then, do we all go along with "Christian child" and "Muslim child"? Such labelling of children with their parents' religion is child abuse."
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Most parents who hold strong political opinions do, in fact, try to enforce them upon their children. Like religion, often the kids accept it, but sometimes they don't. And just like with religion, when you reject your parents' politics or cultural norms, you sometimes end up getting alienated from the family, sometimes you don't.
Parents always try to impose their beliefs on a child (secular or religious, rational or irrational). They are raising them in their image, it's unavoidable. By Dawkins' definition, any sort of guidance by parents in a child's belief system is "child abuse". What's the alternative? An Ayn Rand or Karl Marx utopia/dystopia where all children are raised without being tilted towards any belief system by the parents-- or kids are raised collectively by a 100% rational free-love, free-thinking community?
Dawkins definitely did go overboard with this one. Some parents definitely do shove religion down a kid's throat in such a manner that it could be considered child abuse, but to suggest that any parent who tries to influence or impose upon their children any belief system is engaging in child abuse...well, that's just stupid. |
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pr126
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Anonymous1138 wrote: | A friend of mine was Muslim raised, and was punished on numerous occasions for masturbation(which is considered a sacrilege).
I agree with Professor Dawkins. |
Numerous occasions?
That Muslim friend should have been told not to masturbate in public places. Silly boy.
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| pr126 wrote: | | Anonymous1138 wrote: | A friend of mine was Muslim raised, and was punished on numerous occasions for masturbation(which is considered a sacrilege).
I agree with Professor Dawkins. |
Numerous occasions?
That Muslim friend should have been told not to masturbate in public places. Silly boy. |
And not in front of granny... |
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Hmm... speaking as an atheist here, I kind of agree with the forum leader here. I mean, yes, if the criteria of what is harmful is truthfullness, then it could be considered harmful. But, I'm not sure I agree with you guys about assuming that truth should be the criterion.
Truth is very useful, certainly, a very powerful "god", so to speak, but there is nothing in the universe, objectively or subjectively, that definitively sets truth on a higher scale. There are other criterions.
Granted, I do use truth as a criterion for what's good/harmful, ect. But I don't think it's right to force that criterion down other people's throats.
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josephpalazzo
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| dobie wrote: | Hmm... speaking as an atheist here, I kind of agree with the forum leader here. I mean, yes, if the criteria of what is harmful is truthfullness, then it could be considered harmful. But, I'm not sure I agree with you guys about assuming that truth should be the criterion.
Truth is very useful, certainly, a very powerful "god", so to speak, but there is nothing in the universe, objectively or subjectively, that definitively sets truth on a higher scale. There are other criterions.
Granted, I do use truth as a criterion for what's good/harmful, ect. But I don't think it's right to force that criterion down other people's throats. |
The problem with forcing anything down one's throat is that it will provoke a counter-reaction, and therefore that goal will be defeated. A more dangerous, effective way is the indirect approach. It's more subtle, but gives better results... |
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It doesn't when they are children.
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Toddy
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I was raised a Muslim and now I am an atheist and have been an atheist most of my adult life.
My childhood was confusing due to my muslim upbringing. I felt like an outcast in school and felt that what ever I was doing was wrong and when things went bad I thought it was god punishing me.
I cried when I was told that a favorite singer of mine was going to hell and all singers and actors will go to hell.
That's one of the many memories that I had.
Of the stupid dogmatic fear tactic shit
It is a form of child abuse
scaring a kid saying he will burn and suffer for eternity if he doesn't believe in what he is told, without evidence???
child abuse! |
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Basilosaur
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| I feel really lucky compared to you people because no belief was actually forced into me. So I don't realy understand about the stories of rapture you people were talking about. |
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Hugga_Bear
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ah anonymous friend did you hear the wonderful news about a certain australian rich boy leaving the CoS?
quite nice to hear 
Some of the stories ive heard make me percieve it as a form of child abuse. I totally agree with Dawkins in both statements im afraid...
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| I don't think religion has a place anywhere in the family or anywhere else for that matter. It is a distraction from the True Battle, which Atheists and Agnostics alike are unable to perceive. But I will say this, that parents should strive to be Christlike in love and faith, because this provides a foundation like that which is spoken of by Jesus in the Word. There cannot be a foundation in commands and simple laws, they must be charged (spiritually). |
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josephpalazzo
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| MordsMordreas wrote: | | I don't think religion has a place anywhere in the family or anywhere else for that matter. It is a distraction from the True Battle, which Atheists and Agnostics alike are unable to perceive. But I will say this, that parents should strive to be Christlike in love and faith, because this provides a foundation like that which is spoken of by Jesus in the Word. There cannot be a foundation in commands and simple laws, they must be charged (spiritually). |
Why Christlike? Why not Buddhalike?? or Mohammadlike??? |
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MordsMordreas
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| Because Christ had unconditional love--no strings attached. No "earning" involved. |
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josephpalazzo
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| MordsMordreas wrote: | | Because Christ had unconditional love--no strings attached. No "earning" involved. |
Where does it say that in the bible??? |
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