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Shiranu
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Welcome, I hope you find what your looking for here. While I must say your comment about atheism taking alot of faith killed me a bit inside, im going to forgive you for that one  .
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GodWarrior98
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | welcome bra. hope you are enlightened to a new life. Remember if you are questioning your faith your going to hell according to the bible so you might as well go ahead and deny "gods" existence either way your fucked |
I did not actually know that. If it's not too much of a hassle, could you quote the verse? |
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Hit_me_up024
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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im sorry i dont know the bible by heart nor do i feel like wasting my time searching for it. but im sure it says something along the lines of.
dont question my existence. i am the only god that type of deal. accept me as your savior or perish in hell for all eternity.
look at that incredibly long list of gods and tell me what makes your christian god any differnt from zues?
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GodWarrior98
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | im sorry i dont know the bible by heart nor do i feel like wasting my time searching for it. but im sure it says something along the lines of.
dont question my existence. i am the only god that type of deal. accept me as your savior or perish in hell for all eternity.
look at that incredibly long list of gods and tell me what makes your christian god any differnt from zues? |
He's stood up to the test of time far better, and has a great many more followers. |
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Hit_me_up024
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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godwarrior i also have another question.
what seems more logical a intelligent complex being evolving over millions of years or just popping our of nowhere as your god supposedly did
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Hit_me_up024
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| GodWarrior98 wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | im sorry i dont know the bible by heart nor do i feel like wasting my time searching for it. but im sure it says something along the lines of.
dont question my existence. i am the only god that type of deal. accept me as your savior or perish in hell for all eternity.
look at that incredibly long list of gods and tell me what makes your christian god any differnt from zues? |
He's stood up to the test of time far better, and has a great many more followers. |
yes but in the times of zues he had just as many followers as christians so that doesnt make it historically accurate. the test of time? do you know how long humans have been on this earth compared to the age of the earth. we are nothing compared to it 4.6 billion years and we have only been here a few thousand. we created religion all religion we created jesus just as homer created the odessy.
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GodWarrior98
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Hit_me_up024"][quote="GodWarrior98"] | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | im sorry i dont know the bible by heart nor do i feel like wasting my time searching for it. but im sure it says something along the lines of.
dont question my existence. i am the only god that type of deal. accept me as your savior or perish in hell for all eternity.
look at that incredibly long list of gods and tell me what makes your christian god any differnt from zues? |
| Quote: | godwarrior i also have another question.
what seems more logical a intelligent complex being evolving over millions of years or just popping our of nowhere as your god supposedly did |
What seems more logical? A universe popping out of nowhere or one that was created?
| Quote: | | yes but in the times of zues he had just as many followers as christians so that doesnt make it historically accurate. the test of time? do you know how long humans have been on this earth compared to the age of the earth. we are nothing compared to it 4.6 billion years and we have only been here a few thousand. we created religion all religion we created jesus just as homer created the odessy. |
I don't think Zeus was even believed in at all at the time of Christ. We did not create Jesus, strong evidence shows he was real. |
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Hit_me_up024
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stong evidence shows that a historical man named jesus did rome this earth men named jesus still walk this earth. and the universe evolved as well as life SLOWLY OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS. so if your god created the universe and he popped out of nowhere then the universe indeed popped out of nowhere as well. correct? So you are contradicting yourself by saying that the universe was created.
it takes you an awful long time to post are you researching then posting? very nice at least your not blindly argueing i like you godwarrior you should stick arround and see what you can learn
there is a very nice thread in which they disscuss the existence of jesus as a man or myth in the one-on-one forum check it out.
and i never said that people believed in zues and christianity at the same time. but people believe in buddah and allah today what makes the christian god different from them they have stood your supposed "test of time" as well lol wow.
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GodWarrior98
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | stong evidence shows that a historical man named jesus did rome this earth men named jesus still walk this earth. and the universe evolved as well as life SLOWLY OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS. so if your god created the universe and he popped out of nowhere then the universe indeed popped out of nowhere as well. correct? So you are contradicting yourself by saying that the universe was created.
it takes you an awful long time to post are you researching then posting? very nice at least your not blindly argueing i like you godwarrior you should stick arround and see what you can learn
there is a very nice thread in which they disscuss the existence of jesus as a man or myth in the one-on-one forum check it out.
and i never said that people believed in zues and christianity at the same time. but people believe in buddah and allah today what makes the christian god different from them they have stood your supposed "test of time" as well lol wow. |
I was referring to the big bang. Most scientists will concede that the universe needed to start at some point.
I have to go, but I look forward to more debate with you. |
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Raskolnikov
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| GodWarrior98 wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | stong evidence shows that a historical man named jesus did rome this earth men named jesus still walk this earth. and the universe evolved as well as life SLOWLY OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS. so if your god created the universe and he popped out of nowhere then the universe indeed popped out of nowhere as well. correct? So you are contradicting yourself by saying that the universe was created.
it takes you an awful long time to post are you researching then posting? very nice at least your not blindly argueing i like you godwarrior you should stick arround and see what you can learn
there is a very nice thread in which they disscuss the existence of jesus as a man or myth in the one-on-one forum check it out.
and i never said that people believed in zues and christianity at the same time. but people believe in buddah and allah today what makes the christian god different from them they have stood your supposed "test of time" as well lol wow. |
I was referring to the big bang. Most scientists will concede that the universe needed to start at some point. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_Model
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Nimitz
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | What seems more logical? A universe popping out of nowhere or one that was created?
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Your statement leads to infinite regression, a logic fallacy.
| Quote: | | We did not create Jesus, strong evidence shows he was real. |
The jesus myth has been debated here. Outside the bible there is no evidence of him.
| Quote: | | He's stood up to the test of time far better, and has a great many more followers. |
Your logic is faulty again. You came here to test your logic and failed.
Argumentum ad antiquitatem:
| Quote: | This is the fallacy of asserting that something is right or good simply because it's old, or because "that's the way it's always been." The opposite of Argumentum ad Novitatem.
"For thousands of years Christians have believed in Jesus Christ. Christianity must be true, to have persisted so long even in the face of persecution."
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Argumentum ad populum:
| Quote: | This is known as Appealing to the Gallery, or Appealing to the People. You commit this fallacy if you attempt to win acceptance of an assertion by appealing to a large group of people. This form of fallacy is often characterized by emotive language. For example:
"For thousands of years people have believed in Jesus and the Bible. This belief has had a great impact on their lives. What more evidence do you need that Jesus was the Son of God? Are you trying to tell those people that they are all mistaken fools?" |
Argumentum ad numerum:
| Quote: | This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. For example:
"The vast majority of people in this country believe that capital punishment has a noticeable deterrent effect. To suggest that it doesn't in the face of so much evidence is ridiculous."
"All I'm saying is that thousands of people believe in pyramid power, so there must be something to it." |
So far you've demonstrated no logic at all. Only logic fallacies.
| Quote: | | Atheism takes as much belief as theism. |
Atheism is the lack of faith. Your knowledge is lacking as well.
| Quote: | | There's also a lack of non-evidence. |
 I'd love to hear your "explaination of non-evidence" |
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GodWarrior98
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Raskolnikov wrote: | | GodWarrior98 wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | stong evidence shows that a historical man named jesus did rome this earth men named jesus still walk this earth. and the universe evolved as well as life SLOWLY OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS. so if your god created the universe and he popped out of nowhere then the universe indeed popped out of nowhere as well. correct? So you are contradicting yourself by saying that the universe was created.
it takes you an awful long time to post are you researching then posting? very nice at least your not blindly argueing i like you godwarrior you should stick arround and see what you can learn
there is a very nice thread in which they disscuss the existence of jesus as a man or myth in the one-on-one forum check it out.
and i never said that people believed in zues and christianity at the same time. but people believe in buddah and allah today what makes the christian god different from them they have stood your supposed "test of time" as well lol wow. |
I was referring to the big bang. Most scientists will concede that the universe needed to start at some point. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_Model
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JBCuzISaidSo
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Uh yeah....so welcome! And hello! And um, enjoy your stay! 
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caseagainstfaith
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| GodWarrior98 wrote: |
A universe popping out of nowhere or one that was created?
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But your God "popped out of nowhere". You've made God an exception to your rule. Now, I know that you will say that the difference is that God had no beginning, but the universe did. But, currently, I believe most physicists believe that the "Big Bang" was a transitional event, not an ex-nihlo event. And that the cosmos (meaning all universes) is eternal.
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