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| Citizen X wrote: | | aitm wrote: | | Christianity is well watered down now. |
In comparison to Islam, I would agree. But there are some very extreme Christian denominations that, to me, are just as frightening as Islamic extremists. Not frightening in the sense that I'm worried I'll be blown up on a bus on the way to work, but frightening in the sense of the utter ignorance that is being spout from their lips, and the sense that some very influential people are seeking these nutjobs for spiritual guidance. |
agreed.
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: How dangerous is religion in today's world? |
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[quote="Moloth"] | Citizen X wrote: | O_o
wow, i didn't know you were such an apostate. |
God has personally requested Satan to prepare a special place for me in Hell. 
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I think ignorance and suffering is the greatest threat. That ignorance and suffering is exploited by religion and so many other people hungry for power. Exploited in a way that makes people act directly in contradiction of their own best interests.
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The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. Such idealism may or may not include religion as the twentieth century proved. When people are on a mission to the point where rules and procedures are rendered irrelevant to ultimate aims, atrocities occur. Be leary of those who zealously pursue their moral mandates- religious or secular.
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| PJS wrote: | | The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. Such idealism may or may not include religion as the twentieth century proved. When people are on a mission to the point where rules and procedures are rendered irrelevant to ultimate aims, atrocities occur. Be leary of those who zealously pursue their moral mandates- religious or secular. |
This is the thought process that has steered me away from militant atheism, thus far. I strongly believe that we should all have the freedom to believe whatsoever we choose. I do not like the idea of anyone forcing their beliefs on me or forcing me to believe as they do, just as I do not like the idea of me forcing my beliefs onto others or forcing them to believe as I do.
All of that being said, the fact is that we still have people who are convinced that their god is the one true god and they are willing to kill and/or die for that god. And they are more than willing to eliminate a lot of innocent people in the process. I consider these people delusional. But they may consider me delusional since I have chosen to not believe in their god. And many of these people are now in a position of power with access to WMD's. My point in all of this is what is the best way to address this situation? I do not feel comfortable sitting back and waiting it all out. But I also do not feel comfortable supporting the abomination of all religion (not that such a solution could ever present itself in this day and age). Is there no solution? Is there no choice? Are there any people of religion that are concerned with any of this? Or have all people of religion reached the concensus that this is the end of days, and they would gladly do their part in assisting it along?
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Religion is always a danger and threat to society. In these current days it is a threat more than before. Back then it was stones and swords, now they have nuclear weapons and guns under their control. A crazy person be it Islamic or Christian would have no problems pressing the nuke button on a country they thought were unfit to live in the eyes of their fairy Godpimp.
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| Vyrian wrote: | | Religion is always a danger and threat to society. In these current days it is a threat more than before. Back then it was stones and swords, now they have nuclear weapons and guns under their control. A crazy person be it Islamic or Christian would have no problems pressing the nuke button on a country they thought were unfit to live in the eyes of their fairy Godpimp. |
talk about generalizing, should I believe the baby eating story too?
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| PJS wrote: | | The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. Such idealism may or may not include religion as the twentieth century proved. When people are on a mission to the point where rules and procedures are rendered irrelevant to ultimate aims, atrocities occur. Be leary of those who zealously pursue their moral mandates- religious or secular. |
hence the reason I was pushed away from Atheism, too intolerant, too strung up on people who think differently, I always feel when someone is constantly attacking others is out of insecurity, not generalizing simply my experience
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| Newman wrote: | | PJS wrote: | | The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. Such idealism may or may not include religion as the twentieth century proved. When people are on a mission to the point where rules and procedures are rendered irrelevant to ultimate aims, atrocities occur. Be leary of those who zealously pursue their moral mandates- religious or secular. |
hence the reason I was pushed away from Atheism, too intolerant, too strung up on people who think differently, I always feel when someone is constantly attacking others is out of insecurity, not generalizing simply my experience |
translation: waaaahh.. people don;t take my silly, illogical and unprovable bullshit seriously! people are mean! waaaaah.
whatever, Newman. 
you've admitted that you cant prove what you believe to us, so why act all butt-hurt when we don't?!
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| Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | PJS wrote: | | The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. Such idealism may or may not include religion as the twentieth century proved. When people are on a mission to the point where rules and procedures are rendered irrelevant to ultimate aims, atrocities occur. Be leary of those who zealously pursue their moral mandates- religious or secular. |
hence the reason I was pushed away from Atheism, too intolerant, too strung up on people who think differently, I always feel when someone is constantly attacking others is out of insecurity, not generalizing simply my experience |
translation: waaaahh.. people don;t take my silly, illogical and unprovable bullshit seriously! people are mean! waaaaah.
whatever, Newman.
you've admitted that you cant prove what you believe to us, so why act all butt-hurt when we don't?! |
your maturity level just ooozes out of your writing,
Butt-hurt? I am not butt hurt, or hurt in any way....your translation is quite innacurate, as always...
I am simply giving my point, does it bother you? man, I really hit it on the nose on the other post.
your insecurity does not allow you to even read a normal post with someone different point of view
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HmmMmm...
who here has ANY success with talking to you, Newman? who here haven't you annoyed with your constant dodges, misdirections, back-pedaling and non-answers?
remember: no one is forcing you to post here. if you can't handle it when people mock you for the dumb things you say, maybe you should go post somewhere else.
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | HmmMmm...
who here has ANY success with talking to you, Newman? who here haven't you annoyed with your constant dodges, misdirections, back-pedaling and non-answers?
remember: no one is forcing you to post here. if you can't handle it when people mock you for the dumb things you say, maybe you should go post somewhere else. |
hmm, I was not talking to you or anyone especific. Making my point only, if that bothers you that is your problem my friend.
LOL, I dodge, the irony, you owned that word, I can handle your mocking, I have too, you follow every post I write and give a mocking follow up post, like that makes you more inteligent or less intolerant of a person.
Moloth, dont give yourself so much credit, it does not bother me when you critize me, I mean, seriously look at the person its coming from.
now can we go back to the topic 
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| PJS wrote: | | The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. |
I'm not sure about that. Those who celebrate and wish to actively promote ignorance may do far greater damage to our Western society in the long term. It is simply a more insidious method than violence.
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| Newman wrote: | | PJS wrote: | | The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. Such idealism may or may not include religion as the twentieth century proved. When people are on a mission to the point where rules and procedures are rendered irrelevant to ultimate aims, atrocities occur. Be leary of those who zealously pursue their moral mandates- religious or secular. |
hence the reason I was pushed away from Atheism, too intolerant, too strung up on people who think differently, I always feel when someone is constantly attacking others is out of insecurity, not generalizing simply my experience |
Sure not everyone that is a crazy fundy has control of these specific things. But it only takes one of them to do something as stupid as country-wide genocide. It is faster for them now than it was back in the day. But I suppose in that sense it hasn't changed in it's meaning of dangerous. Just different methods of getting the same job done.
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| Vyrian wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | PJS wrote: | | The most dangerous people are those who are full of idealism to the point where they feel violence is justified in bringing a greater good into existence. Such idealism may or may not include religion as the twentieth century proved. When people are on a mission to the point where rules and procedures are rendered irrelevant to ultimate aims, atrocities occur. Be leary of those who zealously pursue their moral mandates- religious or secular. |
hence the reason I was pushed away from Atheism, too intolerant, too strung up on people who think differently, I always feel when someone is constantly attacking others is out of insecurity, not generalizing simply my experience |
Sure not everyone that is a crazy fundy has control of these specific things. But it only takes one of them to do something as stupid as country-wide genocide. It is faster for them now than it was back in the day. But I suppose in that sense it hasn't changed in it's meaning of dangerous. Just different methods of getting the same job done. |
generalizing again, not everybody is a crazy fundy
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