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lumpymunk
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| Moloth wrote: | | here's a thought: don't play it. |
Note where previously I said, "(not sure if that is still in the game actually)."
The reason I would say something like that is because I don't play anymore.
| Quote: | | I don;t care if you like a particular video game or not.. but i DO care when you make claims that are clearly in contradiction to reality. |
Again, the thread is about suggesting an MMO to the OP. The claims I've made have all been verified by the graph you posted, and I've made reference to it several times. Look at the curve itself... look at the curve prior to TBC... it's peaking, and will soon decline.
I think it's a fucking waste to jump into an MMO when it's on it's way out... you clearly are in denial about WoW's peak and future decline in 09...
...I think it would be unwise to invest a bunch of time into a game that no one is going to play in a year (yes years, because MMO's are long term).
Edit: Even IF it weren't in decline, and were bound to reign supreme for another decade... that doesn't make it a good game. Most people have shitty taste, and/or suck at video games. If the OP is the kind of gamer that likes to win an easy game, he should play WoW. Blizz is currently handing everything to the players, and it's only going to get easier the more the people continue to complain. If the OP is the kind of gamer that likes to play a game for a Challenge... then WoW isn't for you. As I've said... the PvE is brainless, and the PvP is gimmicky and based on a flawed rock/paper/scissors mechanic. WoW is quickly just become an "asian grinder" type of game, where it's really about /played time more than anything else... it's just an MMOIM for most.
If you're looking for a more complex game (and a more graphically pleasing game), something that falls in between the spectrum of "brainless" (WoW) and "insancely complex" (Eve) then you'll want something like WAR or AoC.
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Moloth
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| lumpymunk wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | here's a thought: don't play it. |
Note where previously I said, "(not sure if that is still in the game actually)."
The reason I would say something like that is because I don't play anymore.
| Quote: | | I don;t care if you like a particular video game or not.. but i DO care when you make claims that are clearly in contradiction to reality. |
Again, the thread is about suggesting an MMO to the OP. The claims I've made have all been verified by the graph you posted, and I've made reference to it several times. Look at the curve itself... look at the curve prior to TBC... it's peaking, and will soon decline.
I think it's a fucking waste to jump into an MMO when it's on it's way out... you clearly are in denial about WoW's peak and future decline in 09...
...I think it would be unwise to invest a bunch of time into a game that no one is going to play in a year (yes years, because MMO's are long term). |
using your logic, no one should put any time into ANY MMO because they will ALL eventually 'decline'.
right now and for the next several or couple of years at the VERY least, WoW is going to be around. to sit for 2 years twiddling your thumbs and NOT playing the game because it might decline one day is silly and self-defeating.
its a videogame. play it. have fun with it. move on when its no longer fun.
sheesh.
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EvilEggCracker
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like more of the SAME to me... nothing new about it. |
Yeah, because Warhammer Onlin offers TONS OF NEW STUFF THAT IS TOTALLY FRICKIN' FRESH, YO!
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Because it breaks the lore, and it's a cheap way to balance PvP. |
No it doesn't. Now you're just making up shit.
| Quote: | | Of course the Devs support it, because they have millions of whining fans complaining about the exclusivity of content and they have share holders to please by boosting subscribers... Blizz is a whore company... and they do whatever to please as many people ase possible... shitting on the Lore, shitting on the game itself, dumbing it down... all for a few more bucks. The company has no integrity... |
I guess you've forgotten about all those times Blizzard have stopped a game so close to release because they didn't like it?
| Quote: | | Keep telling yourself that. |
Lol.
Keep ignoring the evidence. No skin off my nose.
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tinker683
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I have to agree with Noggin. After playing MMO's for almost a decade now (started with EQ1 in 1999) I've been a dozen different MMO's with different gamplay mechanics and different way of doing somethings. Every game brought something interesting to the table but also had flaws of it's own. Through out all of that I have found people who consider themselves fans of games I consider to be terrible, who think that certain aspects of a game that I can't absolutely stand are things that are enjoyable and desirable.
EQ1 has been still going for almost a decade and it is not dead as SoE still releases expansions for it. Only two MMORPGs that I know of are dead, Auto Assault and Asheron Call 2. Maybe there are more, but there are games that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole that are STILL going on after all of this time, all because enough people still subscribe to those games to merit it's continuation.
My point is, everyone has their own preferences. I've seen a few people in this very thread give praise to games or ideas that I can not stand. I guess threads like these are just evidence as to how passionate we as gamers can be.
Anywho, I just felt like saying that after reading Noggin's post so...game on!
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Moloth
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| tinker683 wrote: | I have to agree with Noggin. After playing MMO's for almost a decade now (started with EQ1 in 1999) I've been a dozen different MMO's with different gamplay mechanics and different way of doing somethings. Every game brought something interesting to the table but also had flaws of it's own. Through out all of that I have found people who consider themselves fans of games I consider to be terrible, who think that certain aspects of a game that I can't absolutely stand are things that are enjoyable and desirable.
EQ1 has been still going for almost a decade and it is not dead as SoE still releases expansions for it. Only two MMORPGs that I know of are dead, Auto Assault and Asheron Call 2. Maybe there are more, but there are games that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole that are STILL going on after all of this time, all because enough people still subscribe to those games to merit it's continuation.
My point is, everyone has their own preferences. I've seen a few people in this very thread give praise to games or ideas that I can not stand. I guess threads like these are just evidence as to how passionate we as gamers can be.
Anywho, I just felt like saying that after reading Noggin's post so...game on! |
and Earth&Beyond. i STILL miss that game. it was my first MMO. i Beta'd AutoAssault for longer than the game was actually open and released.. lol.
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tinker683
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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and Earth&Beyond. i STILL miss that game. it was my first MMO. i Beta'd AutoAssault for longer than the game was actually open and released.. lol. |
I forgot about Earth & Beyond. I would have liked to have tried that.
Auto Assault I thought had a really interesting idea and a really cool backstory. My problem with it was the client: It was so buggy and used a lot more resources on your system than I felt it needed. If it actually worked well I would have probably stayed with it a lot longer.
C'est la vie, and all that.
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Moloth
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| tinker683 wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
and Earth&Beyond. i STILL miss that game. it was my first MMO. i Beta'd AutoAssault for longer than the game was actually open and released.. lol. |
I forgot about Earth & Beyond. I would have liked to have tried that.
Auto Assault I thought had a really interesting idea and a really cool backstory. My problem with it was the client: It was so buggy and used a lot more resources on your system than I felt it needed. If it actually worked well I would have probably stayed with it a lot longer.
C'est la vie, and all that. |
AA had some awesome things to it, for sure... the graphics, physics, concept, etcs... but the game play and interface suuuuucked. it was hard to tell what was going on and what was an upgrade to your vehicle.
I'm also looking forward to Champions Online. its made by the people who made CoH... and its basically CoH 2.
http://www.champions-online.com/
one problem: they want it cross platform with consoles... which means it will be SO dumbed down for that medium that it may lose my interest through lack of depth or overly simplistic controls.
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| lumpymunk wrote: | | If the OP is the kind of gamer that likes to win an easy game, he should play WoW. Blizz is currently handing everything to the players, and it's only going to get easier the more the people continue to complain. If the OP is the kind of gamer that likes to play a game for a Challenge... then WoW isn't for you. |
I guess you could say I'm a hardcore, eclectic gamer. I play for challenge, but also for the games themselves. I've received all the endings and secrets for all the metal gear solid games, including all the VR missions, yet I won't touch splinter cell with a 10 foot cattle prod. I've beaten all the final fantasy games, but prefer suikoden overall. And I played and beat all the jak games simply to see all the daxter cutscenes.
As far as MMOs go, I'm looking for a fun, challenging game that doesn't require as much dedication as a full time job, as well as a good social system.
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Moloth
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| mathiu_silverberg wrote: | | lumpymunk wrote: | | If the OP is the kind of gamer that likes to win an easy game, he should play WoW. Blizz is currently handing everything to the players, and it's only going to get easier the more the people continue to complain. If the OP is the kind of gamer that likes to play a game for a Challenge... then WoW isn't for you. |
I guess you could say I'm a hardcore, eclectic gamer. I play for challenge, but also for the games themselves. I've received all the endings and secrets for all the metal gear solid games, including all the VR missions, yet I won't touch splinter cell with a 10 foot cattle prod. I've beaten all the final fantasy games, but prefer suikoden overall. And I played and beat all the jak games simply to see all the daxter cutscenes.
As far as MMOs go, I'm looking for a fun, challenging game that doesn't require as much dedication as a full time job, as well as a good social system. |
*shrug*.. i still say that sounds like WoW.
Hmm... did you know that City of Heroes/Villains actually has a difficulty slider? I was getting bored breezing through missions... until i kicked it up a few notches. now, i get more exp and influence (money) per missions AND they're challenging enough to keep them interesting. its hard to beat COH/Vs dedicated and helpful community.
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EvEOnline.......try it.
Ive played EQ (6 years), EQ2 (2 years), PlanetSide (2), WoW (From launch till6 months after BC), DAoC (1), AC1 (1), ShadowBane (1), SWG (Launch till the revamp), EvEOnline (2 years and still playing) and a host of others in between.
Personally, i miss the freedom and lore of the classic EQ more. The grind sucked, but the game was awesome and it encouraged group-play like no other. And it felt like a HUGE world
WoW....meh. Its FUN for the first run through (like most single-player games...), but after a few 70's its just horrible and repetitive. The lore is absolutly terrible and a blatent rip off of gamesworkshop, the PvP is totally shallow and without meaning or consequence. The world is also, relatively for those who have played other MMO's, really TINY and compact. Its good for kids and newbies to PC Games though, ill give it that.
Now, i guess im older and prefer to play longer-lasting game with more action/consequence involved, where reputation MATTERS in the long run, and where the Pvp has depth and meaning. BUT, its also proably the most hardcore game out at the moment, and its a VERY long term investment. |
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there is NO doubt that EVEOnline is an MMO for adults, thats for sure.
EVE is serious bidness.
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tinker683
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Eve Online is one of the few online games i haven't tried, though mostly because I'm not a PvPer and because I heard that it required an enormous amount of time to break into it. Once you really got into it though...I heard it was this epic totally addictive experience like no other.
Maybe when I come to a point where I have a lot of time I'll have to try it out.
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| tinker683 wrote: | Eve Online is one of the few online games i haven't tried, though mostly because I'm not a PvPer and because I heard that it required an enormous amount of time to break into it. Once you really got into it though...I heard it was this epic totally addictive experience like no other.
Maybe when I come to a point where I have a lot of time I'll have to try it out. |
EVE is epic for a number of reasons.. one of which that the entire universe is on ONE shard. there are no 'other servers' you can join. its all ONE big-ass playground wherever everyone who plays the game has to play together. good thing the EVE universe is so freaking huge.
last i played (a year or two ago), they had gotten over 24,000 simultaneous players in the game.
hmm... scratch that: "On 9 December 2007, Eve Online achieved a new record for the maximum number of simultaneous pilots online with 41,690 concurrent accounts logged on to the same server.[45]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_online
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| Moloth wrote: | | tinker683 wrote: | Eve Online is one of the few online games i haven't tried, though mostly because I'm not a PvPer and because I heard that it required an enormous amount of time to break into it. Once you really got into it though...I heard it was this epic totally addictive experience like no other.
Maybe when I come to a point where I have a lot of time I'll have to try it out. |
EVE is epic for a number of reasons.. one of which that the entire universe is on ONE shard. there are no 'other servers' you can join. its all ONE big-ass playground wherever everyone who plays the game has to play together. good thing the EVE universe is so freaking huge.
last i played (a year or two ago), they had gotten over 24,000 simultaneous players in the game.
hmm... scratch that: "On 9 December 2007, Eve Online achieved a new record for the maximum number of simultaneous pilots online with 41,690 concurrent accounts logged on to the same server.[45]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_online |
Holy shit. I'd love to see the specs on their server.
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