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ShaSha
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 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: Re: A personal crisis |
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| Tormentor wrote: | | Why would christianity be the logical choice for you religiously? Christianity is a cluster fuck of ancient religions pissed in to a cup of stupidity. It reads more like a forged signature than a real religion. Investigate the religions that we have based our societies on today, such as the ancient ones, then decide whether you want to dedicate your life to such a pathetically simple one as christianity. |
She hasn't chosen any as of yet. She's reading and thinking. That is good. She's young  Also if she does choose Christianity, it doesn't have to be pathetic. There are so many liberal ones that don't force dogma but rather lean towards having fun together and a place to support. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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you just got to love the wisdom given to this person in crisis by Atheist!
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Newman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: Re: A personal crisis |
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| ShaSha wrote: | | Tormentor wrote: | | Why would christianity be the logical choice for you religiously? Christianity is a cluster fuck of ancient religions pissed in to a cup of stupidity. It reads more like a forged signature than a real religion. Investigate the religions that we have based our societies on today, such as the ancient ones, then decide whether you want to dedicate your life to such a pathetically simple one as christianity. |
She hasn't chosen any as of yet. She's reading and thinking. That is good. She's young Also if she does choose Christianity, it doesn't have to be pathetic. There are so many liberal ones that don't force dogma but rather lean towards having fun together and a place to support. |
Hmmm, I am not sure why I keep reading how guilt ridden and oppressed Chirstianity is... to me its the most liberating thing I have experience in my life. I also love how they immedialty sent them to ancient religions as to only highlight what in their minds is terrible, the best one yet, is how they believe in evolution of all, except! religion, that the killer right there! nope you have to refer to getting stoned for your crimes, instead of actually seeing that God these days is about forgiveness, about love, about letting your past go, about renewing yourself.....
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Moloth
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: A personal crisis |
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| redraiderdude187 wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | that is one of the most convoluted sentences i've seen in a while.
its a fact.. that i MAY think i'm superior (because, of course YOU don't think that YOU are superior because of what you believe.. lol)...
because i value facts...
BUT, i COULD be wrong (about what?) because my preference of finding facts to be true...
is just an ascetic preference?
*rubs chin*
so... i may think i'm superior because i think facts are true, but, i could be wrong because thats just a matter of taste.
*scratches head*..
huh... okayyyy.
Its a FACT that you MAY not have a fucking clue as to what you're talking about.
because, of course.. its all just ascetic preference, anyways.   |
I didn't say anything about you being wrong for relying on facts. Facts, by definition, are true (duh). I said that you are wrong to automatically assume that you are superior to someone else because facts and logic alone satisfy you. My reasoning for this is that you have no control over what makes you happy in the first place because it is just an aesthetic preference.
The funny thing is that you proved my point entirely in the way you responded to my comment. |
the even funnier thing is that you're still wrong..
when have i ever announced my superiority? O_o
I'm old, fat, have an IQ of 89, still a virgin, i play D&D on the weekends and videogames during the week. I've been going to college, off and on, for over 10 years and only have a 1 year Certificate to show for it and i make barely over minimum wage.
I hope you feel good about yourself.
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redraiderdude187
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Re: A personal crisis |
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| Moloth wrote: | the even funnier thing is that you're still wrong..
when have i ever announced my superiority? O_o
I'm old, fat, have an IQ of 89, still a virgin, i play D&D on the weekends and videogames during the week. I've been going to college, off and on, for over 10 years and only have a 1 year Certificate to show for it and i make barely over minimum wage.
I hope you feel good about yourself. |
The self-deprecation isn't fooling anyone. Good try, though.
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Newman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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hehehe typical
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Moloth
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When have I ever announced my superiority?
its funny how you can make a naked assertion.. and not have anything to back it up.
Go on thinking that Moloth is big, bad, scary man... it thats what you need to think. *shrug*
excuuuUUuuse me for liking things that make sense.
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redraiderdude187
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| Moloth wrote: | | When have I ever announced my superiority? |
Hmmmmm maybe... here?
| Quote: | | excuuuUUuuse me for liking things that make sense. |
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Moloth
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| redraiderdude187 wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | When have I ever announced my superiority? |
Hmmmmm maybe... here?
| Quote: | | excuuuUUuuse me for liking things that make sense. |
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i'm claiming superiority for saying what i like?
well, geez... i guess we're all just a bunch of high-falooten' ego-maniacs, huh?
geez, dude.. i don't what you think i've done, but your little crusade/jihad is just silly... you're grasping at straws.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: Re: A personal crisis |
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| Moloth wrote: |
I'm old, fat, have an IQ of 89, still a virgin, i play D&D on the weekends and videogames during the week. I've been going to college, off and on, for over 10 years and only have a 1 year Certificate to show for it and i make barely over minimum wage.
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As I've often said on these boards, you're a fucking moron... I've been vindicated...  |
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pr126
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moloth wrote:
| Quote: | | I'm old, fat, have an IQ of 89, still a virgin, i play D&D on the weekends and videogames during the week. I've been going to college, off and on, for over 10 years and only have a 1 year Certificate to show for it and i make barely over minimum wage. |
Wow.
All this time I thought you are a homeless bum, a drifter, a crack addict, and a whorechaser.
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Moloth
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Re: A personal crisis |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
I'm old, fat, have an IQ of 89, still a virgin, i play D&D on the weekends and videogames during the week. I've been going to college, off and on, for over 10 years and only have a 1 year Certificate to show for it and i make barely over minimum wage.
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As I've often said on these boards, you're a fucking moron... I've been vindicated... |
yup, you have.
i have NO credibility and anything i say should NEVER be taken seriously, for the only reason that i'm the one who said it... what i say should always just be taken on its own merits.
I, Moloth, am indeed, a 'fucking moron'.
however, you're never really arguing with ME... you're arguing with my points... which are, most often, either questions or based on very solid reason.
So, if anyone needs to think of me like this:
in order to think that they're better than me or to be able to ignore my points, thats fine. This is, afterall, just the Internet. 
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| Newman wrote: | | you just got to love the wisdom given to this person in crisis by Atheist! |
"Atheist" isn't capitalized mid-sentence.
Also, there was plenty of advice given to her gently by atheists-maybe you only saw what you wanted to see. That much is apparent in your religious thoughts. Yes, that was an "asshole atheist" burn.
I feel shit all the time, but it's a pretty fucking large jump to say it's some sort of "higher power" when it's just a bunch of neurochemicals fucking with my head in response to environmental changes.
Sorry.
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Moloth
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| pr126 wrote: | moloth wrote:
| Quote: | | I'm old, fat, have an IQ of 89, still a virgin, i play D&D on the weekends and videogames during the week. I've been going to college, off and on, for over 10 years and only have a 1 year Certificate to show for it and i make barely over minimum wage. |
Wow.
All this time I thought you are a homeless bum, a drifter, a crack addict, and a whorechaser. |
no, i live in my moms basement.
brb, gonna go get some more Mountain Dew and Cheetos.
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tinker683
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: Re: A personal crisis |
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| Azathoth wrote: | I don't know how much background you guys really need, but here's some basic stuff:
I'm 16. My parents are atheists and by extension, so am I. My boyfriend is an atheist, my sister is an atheist, my friends are atheists, and my general environment is pretty atheist-friendly.
But lately I've been dealing with a lot of confusion. I'm overall pretty happy but I was feeling kind of empty. I ended up listening to some Bach to try and promote some good thinking and ended up being really pulled in a religious direction. And that religion happens to be Christianity. Be nice, here, I'm trying to figure things out.
Now, on the one hand, I'm kind of half-converted. Theoretically, and on the squishy level, I'm pretty much okay with the whole Jesus thing. But, basic research makes the whole thing really stupid. Believing that a malevolent spiritual force is what makes me fight with my sister is weird. There's a lot of circular reasoning that's confusing me. I don't think I can really get on board with the idea that a big (relatively) benevolent entity is watching my every move and is going to send me to roast because I didn't tell it I'm sorry for the crap I've done.
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I'm also feeling a very strong pull in this direction and a lot of it just seems right. Just seeming right is not what I usually use as my standard of evidence, so there's more cognitive dissonance here.
It's not a fear of hell that's driving me, though. The idea of some kind of eternal separation makes sense, I guess, but the idea of eternal pain and torture for normal people who didn't kill puppies seems like overkill. And if God is that much of an asshole, I don't think I want to worship him.
I wish I could approach this like math. I'm pretty good with numbers and logical trains of thought, but I'm also not a supreme logician, and the argument from personal incredulity is a fallacy, so hey, I'm confused. Has anyone dealt with thoughts like this before?
Also, with the whole Bible thing, I find it hard to take literally but why can't it be interpreted? On the other hand, if it's based off of interpretation, couldn't Jesus be a metaphor?
If you want to post something along the lines of 'lolz xtian retard gtfo my forum' please go fuck yourself and leave my thread alone.
I know the basic logical refutations for a literal interpretation, but I'm not taking the Bible literally and I'm not scared of Hell. I'm just curious and this is seeming right. 
Basically I'm just working myself around in circles. I'm not especially smart, but I'm smart enough to know that what's attracting me is stupid, logically inconsistent, and all that. |
First thing I'd like to say: Do not be ashamed of your feelings!
There is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with wanting to search for deeper and more meaningful things out in the universe. As I mentioning in another thread I too have considered returning to Christianity as I often miss the sense of community and the idea that there is this "big guy in the sky" that's watching out for me. What stops me from embracing it is realizing that I was picking and choosing the parts I liked, and that that I would be embracing it not because it was necessarily true but because it felt good.
I guess at this point the first thing you have to ask yourself not just what is and what isn't true (Heaven, Hell, Trinity, Grace, etc) but also why do you believe this to be true. Do you believe it true because you have some fact or argument to demonstrate it or do you believe it true because it feels good to believe it true? Finally, what's more important to you: Something I can demonstrate to be true or something that feels good?
I hope you find what you're looking for and wish you all the best
*edited because even after all this time, my proof reading skills still suck ass*
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