Atheists in Islamic countries

afghan_atheist · Visitor Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 20 Local time: 6:04 AM

There are millions of atheists in Islamic countries who are living in fear and are not able to express their views because of Islamic terror to kill and behead anyone who leaves Islam or critisizes it.

How the world can change this brutality in Islamic countries?

RyanDzundza · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:30 am Post subject:

i feel a revolution coming on lol

viva la revolucion

seriously though, if there are a substancial amount of secular people living in islamic states then i feel that a revolution is the only thing that will work against those islamic tyrants
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Vyrian · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:53 am Post subject:

They should stand together and fight islam. Or move off to a section that has the least amount of Sand-Nigs (yeah I said it!!) and leave a more peaceful existence. Sadly them sub-animals are too stupid and violent to let anything, even themselves, live in peace so something needs to be done about it and sadly it's going to include a lot of blood on the ground.
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afghan_atheist · Visitor Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 20 Local time: 6:04 AM

pr126 · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject:

I am afraid that it is only Muslims that can make the change.
Non Muslims cannot and should not interfere in Islamic reformation as it will be received with hostility.
However, since the Quran is the uncreated, immutable word of Allah, any change is questionable.

Everybody is talking about the "moderate" Muslim majority, but they are unable (or unwilling?) to oppose the "Tiny Minority ^TM" of extremist, who really just putting Islamic doctrine into practice.

I wonder what is your opinion on the "moderate" Muslims, since you are from an Islamic country.

The only way there can be any sort of "reform" is to separate religion from the state.
But, religion is the only source of power the despotic rulers have. Mohammad made sure of that.
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Vyrian · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

Muslims had their shot at change and they selected themselves for extinction. The only way to change these islamic countries is a massive invasion greater than the Bush scale. At first it should be peaceful'ish, just massive amounts of millions of people moving into islamic countries and taking it over through real estate and political advantage. Then military power should decrease the amount of extremists in existence by finding them and exterminating them through jail and or death if need be, but knowing them, it will have to be. But jail should work just as fine.

Then the moderates that actually ARE moderates and not the moderates that only call themselves moderates but are still extremists, will be able to adapt to the new life and civilization and the islamic countries can be better than they are now. Doesn't have to be a democracy but it will never be a theocracy again.
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RyanDzundza · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:

i disagree, i would be very much against any invasion in any islamic countries,

that would lead to more extremist and be of help to absolutly no one, its upto the people who live in the islamic states to change their country

plus do you have any idea how many countries have a majority muslim community, an invasion would be near enough impossible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_Muslim_countries
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Vyrian · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject:

Either way these are all just speculation. We already know it's probably going to end up with the rest of the world turning islamic countries into a black smudge on the global map. That was their choice, not ours.

pessimistic yes, but I just have no hope for muslims. And I don't care if they go extinct with their religion. The non-muslim arabs will continue a better lineage than the towel headed gun-lickers.
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afghan_atheist · Visitor Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 20 Local time: 6:04 AM

Muslims are Muslims, whether moderate or extremists, they don't want to change their society because then they will have to free women and let the minorities live their own life. The Muslims want women and minorities to be enslaved and subjogate the poors then call it 'the will of the God'.

The only way is a real democracy and secularism through education which can defeat extremism and the cruel rule of the mullahs.

Godless Red Scum · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Atheists in Islamic countries

PJS · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

Addressing the minority segment of the overall Muslim world that is the Middle East, it seems the blame game lets the oppressive regimes of the Middle East off the hook. While western powers have no doubt contributed to misery in that part of the world, the victim mentality is a dead end from their side of the situation. It is precisely the lack of freedom - be it freedom for women, economic freedom, freedom from tyranny of all sorts-that impedes progress. The road to robust democracy was long and full of obstacles and setbacks in the western experience. Perhaps a start down that road is the only hope for that region, but it needs to be at least mostly an inside job.

Singapore and Hong Kong were once victims of colonialism. While Singapore is quite oppressive on the civil liberty front at least the standard of living is high and they produce few suicide bombers.

What has independence from western powers alone actually produced in the Muslim world? The overwhelming majority of Muslims live in independent states-many or most are quite oppressive.
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