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baddogma antitheist

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Of course....why would I wnat to believe in something that isn't true?
Do you want to live a lie? _________________ Join http://www.sefora.org/
Can omnicient god who knows the future find the omnipotence to change his future mind?
I'm ashamed of what I did for a Klondike bar.... |
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Freiheit Intern


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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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really I think that there are arguements and observations made every day that can undermine faith in almost anything. As a Christian I say it is a good thing to be challenged- without that how can you learn more and decide what you tuly believe? Anyone who has such a weak faith that they are fearful of challenges in their God needs those challenges to help them decide where they stand- i think _________________ I may not agree with your religious, political, or social beliefs, but i will fight for you to have the freedom to hold those beliefs. |
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josephpalazzo Illusion Master

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| If someone would prove that E ≠ mc2, it would be a shock, and I would be in awe... |
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FlatEarth1024 Moral Assassin

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| ShadowWulf wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | if I have a false belief I'd like to be informed of that. |
Agreed, but it better be damn well backup up with validated evidence. |
And herein lies the atheist's conundrum.
The theist needs no more proof to believe than sunsets, puppy dogs, and a dusty old book written by bedouins drinking fermented figs out of goat stomachs. But if the atheist (or any scholar for that matter) puts 10 items of 'evidence' in front of a theist, it doesn't matter how rock-solid valid 9 of them are. If the tenth is even the slightest bit shaky he can cry out "AHA! See? You smarty pants egg-heads don't know everything! God must be real!"
So 1% unexplained to a theist undoes 99% evidence put before him, even though he bases his entire existence on something with the opposite ratio. How do you combat that? I don't think you can, really. _________________
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SmellingTheCoffee Forum Plebian

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for the replies - especially those from the theists.
I now feel more comfortable posting certain arguments and observations knowing that I will not be breaking any rules or upsetting any feelings.
I don't expect to change any minds - which is not my purpose anyway - but I hope to have some good discussions and maybe even be taught a thing or two as well. _________________ I have no objection to a God who refuses to prove that he exists; but what to make of one who creates so much evidence that he doesn't? |
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BillWalker666 Visitor

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Suggested reading: Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris Billions & Billions by Carl Sagan Fiasco byThomas Ricks The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins God is not Great Christopher Hitchins Towing Jehovah by James Morrow The End of Faith by Sam Harris Better yet Read the Bible THOUGHTFULLY, without the amens & the hallelujas |
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Freiheit Intern


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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: |
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go ahead SmellingtheCoffee! You may not change my mind but im sure I will learn something, or a lot.
One thing I do respect a lot about the atheists on this forum is that most truly do know a LOT; about the Bible in particular- yes, more than some Christians I know. I think it is true that sometimes it is easy for a Christian to say "oh well I am a Christian, i know basically what the Bible says and I know what I am told at church so I dont need to spend time really reading the Bible or learning more"...
cheers _________________ I may not agree with your religious, political, or social beliefs, but i will fight for you to have the freedom to hold those beliefs. |
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Freiheit wrote: | go ahead SmellingtheCoffee! You may not change my mind but im sure I will learn something, or a lot.
One thing I do respect a lot about the atheists on this forum is that most truly do know a LOT; about the Bible in particular- yes, more than some Christians I know. I think it is true that sometimes it is easy for a Christian to say "oh well I am a Christian, i know basically what the Bible says and I know what I am told at church so I dont need to spend time really reading the Bible or learning more"...
cheers |
again well said, sometimes we (Christians) hide behind the Bible. _________________ "Love Life" |
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baddogma antitheist

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | | Freiheit wrote: | go ahead SmellingtheCoffee! You may not change my mind but im sure I will learn something, or a lot.
One thing I do respect a lot about the atheists on this forum is that most truly do know a LOT; about the Bible in particular- yes, more than some Christians I know. I think it is true that sometimes it is easy for a Christian to say "oh well I am a Christian, i know basically what the Bible says and I know what I am told at church so I dont need to spend time really reading the Bible or learning more"...
cheers |
again well said, sometimes we (Christians) hide behind the Bible. |
It's a lousy shield _________________ Join http://www.sefora.org/
Can omnicient god who knows the future find the omnipotence to change his future mind?
I'm ashamed of what I did for a Klondike bar.... |
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Freiheit wrote: | go ahead SmellingtheCoffee! You may not change my mind but im sure I will learn something, or a lot.
One thing I do respect a lot about the atheists on this forum is that most truly do know a LOT; about the Bible in particular- yes, more than some Christians I know. I think it is true that sometimes it is easy for a Christian to say "oh well I am a Christian, i know basically what the Bible says and I know what I am told at church so I dont need to spend time really reading the Bible or learning more"...
cheers |
again well said, sometimes we (Christians) hide behind the Bible. |
It's a lousy shield |
might be.... _________________ "Love Life" |
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Freiheit wrote: | go ahead SmellingtheCoffee! You may not change my mind but im sure I will learn something, or a lot.
One thing I do respect a lot about the atheists on this forum is that most truly do know a LOT; about the Bible in particular- yes, more than some Christians I know. I think it is true that sometimes it is easy for a Christian to say "oh well I am a Christian, i know basically what the Bible says and I know what I am told at church so I dont need to spend time really reading the Bible or learning more"...
cheers |
again well said, sometimes we (Christians) hide behind the Bible. |
It's a lousy shield |
my favorite is when they treat THE book, meaning the physical book, as a prize, when its not the book its the words inside _________________ "Love Life" |
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BillWalker666 Visitor

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| All Christians should read the koran, & all Muslims should read the bible. . Then each should their own dumb book. Then, hopefully each would be able to put behind them these absurd tribal gods created by our primitive ignorant ancesters. |
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baddogma antitheist

Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 8460 Local time: 4:11 PM Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Freiheit wrote: | go ahead SmellingtheCoffee! You may not change my mind but im sure I will learn something, or a lot.
One thing I do respect a lot about the atheists on this forum is that most truly do know a LOT; about the Bible in particular- yes, more than some Christians I know. I think it is true that sometimes it is easy for a Christian to say "oh well I am a Christian, i know basically what the Bible says and I know what I am told at church so I dont need to spend time really reading the Bible or learning more"...
cheers |
again well said, sometimes we (Christians) hide behind the Bible. |
It's a lousy shield |
my favorite is when they treat THE book, meaning the physical book, as a prize, when its not the book its the words inside |
Meh, the book is worth more. _________________ Join http://www.sefora.org/
Can omnicient god who knows the future find the omnipotence to change his future mind?
I'm ashamed of what I did for a Klondike bar....
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Newman Caribbean Theist

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Freiheit wrote: | go ahead SmellingtheCoffee! You may not change my mind but im sure I will learn something, or a lot.
One thing I do respect a lot about the atheists on this forum is that most truly do know a LOT; about the Bible in particular- yes, more than some Christians I know. I think it is true that sometimes it is easy for a Christian to say "oh well I am a Christian, i know basically what the Bible says and I know what I am told at church so I dont need to spend time really reading the Bible or learning more"...
cheers |
again well said, sometimes we (Christians) hide behind the Bible. |
It's a lousy shield |
Meh, the book is worth more.
my favorite is when they treat THE book, meaning the physical book, as a prize, when its not the book its the words inside |
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lol, Dog your quote ability is almost as bad as mine  _________________ "Love Life" |
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gnosis Forum Leader


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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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If my beliefs are not correct, yes. It's more important to me to know the truth than to think I'm correct all the time. _________________ "Agnostics: Atheists without balls." -Stephen Colbert |
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