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| kmisho wrote: | It was:
**not everything that we believe is based on evidence...Who is your father?**
Now it's:
**ah man, it is not necessary for him to actually do it, it was a point, that people do believe in things without 100% proof, scientific proof**
He changed the subject, predictably. |
lol, please, again your an expert on looking at the words to derail points, and seem like your right, Moloth understood, did not agree, but understood
The world is Blue!
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did you see how he said world?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | It was:
**not everything that we believe is based on evidence...Who is your father?**
Now it's:
**ah man, it is not necessary for him to actually do it, it was a point, that people do believe in things without 100% proof, scientific proof**
He changed the subject, predictably. |
lol, please, again your an expert on looking at the words to derail points, and seem like your right, Moloth understood, did not agree, but understood |
I quoted YOU. Direct quote. Cut and paste. You changed the subject.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
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Moloth
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | | BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | What kind of evidence are you looking for if that doesn't suffice? Those are all reasonable ways of determining something mundane like parent/child lineage, and if some parts of that evidence were in question, Moloth and his father could easily get a DNA test to prove the relation as strongly as possible. Throw in the documentation like birth certificates and you have a legal, scientific probability that's beyond any reasonable doubt in the face of any justifiable reason to think otherwise. Now if Moloth had said he was spawned by a demon, has wings and can fly, and shoots fireballs out his asshole, further evidence would be necessary to prove a claim like that. |
DNA is scientific proof, correct all else is proof you rather believe |
And a DNA test is an unneccessary expense to remove the .0000000001% chance, based on all the other physical, legal, and circumstantial evidence, that Moloth's father isn't who he says he is. You're asking for evidence to prove a mundane claim against absurd hypothetical possibilities. He has absolutely no reason or evidence to suggest his father isn't his father. To go through the trouble of proving it to some ridiculous standard is a pointless exercise. |
Bark hit it right on the head. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. |
ah ok, so the proof has a scale that roles down as the claim is lower? |
yes.
like i said posts ago... I would more than likely believe a stranger if they told me that they had seen a dog outside, than if they had told me that they had seen a Pegasus outside.
here is the primary concept:
not all ideas are equal. all ideas are not all equally valid or useful. there ARE good ideas and bad ideas. The more extraordinary and out of alignment with previous knowledge something is, the more evidence that is required to come to that conclusion.
I can say that the Sun will rise in the East and i say so with the confidence of a reasoned conclusion.
Someone else saying, 'No, it will rise in the West... because you can't be SURE that it will rise in the East", is NOT very compelling... at least, not without some seriously bad-ass evidence.
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kmisho
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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science does not offer proof. "scientific proof" is a misnomer
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
"Never is a long time." Robert Fripp, 1998
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Moloth
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | It was:
**not everything that we believe is based on evidence...Who is your father?**
Now it's:
**ah man, it is not necessary for him to actually do it, it was a point, that people do believe in things without 100% proof, scientific proof**
He changed the subject, predictably. |
lol, please, again your an expert on looking at the words to derail points, and seem like your right, Moloth understood, did not agree, but understood |
no, i still do not understand the point you were trying to make.
its sounds like now, you're falling back to the old theist chestnut of "well, you can't know ANYTHING for sure, therefore god."
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| kmisho wrote: | | science does not offer proof. "scientific proof" is a misnomer |
 ok, you derailment is permanent?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: |
I can say that the Sun will rise in the East and i say so with the confidence of a reasoned conclusion.
Someone else saying, 'No, it will rise in the West... because you can't be SURE that it will rise in the East", is NOT very compelling... at least, not without some seriously bad-ass evidence. |
C???? U DOTN NO 4 SHUR. U KUD BE RONG!!
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
"Never is a long time." Robert Fripp, 1998
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | science does not offer proof. "scientific proof" is a misnomer |
ok, you derailment is permanent? |
You are the only person that has ever accused me of derailment. In these discussions I am often one who gets them back on track.
You're just pissed because I called you an asshole, which you are.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
"Never is a long time." Robert Fripp, 1998
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Newman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | It was:
**not everything that we believe is based on evidence...Who is your father?**
Now it's:
**ah man, it is not necessary for him to actually do it, it was a point, that people do believe in things without 100% proof, scientific proof**
He changed the subject, predictably. |
lol, please, again your an expert on looking at the words to derail points, and seem like your right, Moloth understood, did not agree, but understood |
no, i still do not understand the point you were trying to make.
its sounds like now, you're falling back to the old theist chestnut of "well, you can't know ANYTHING for sure, therefore god." |
 your assumptions are monumental, no, just falling back in my chair, relaxing over a cup of java and simply smiling over a good day at work, I get work done between post
nobody sees what they done want to see...
I respect your intelligence level, not so when you put your hands over your ears
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nobody sees what they don't want to see
hi pot, meet mr kettle. some people see things that aren't there only because they want to
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
"Never is a long time." Robert Fripp, 1998
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kmisho wrote: | nobody sees what they don't want to see
hi pot, meet mr kettle. some people see things that aren't there only because they want to |
did it take you long to think about that? 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: |
I respect your intelligence level, not so when you put your hands over your ears |
about what?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: |
I respect your intelligence level, not so when you put your hands over your ears |
about what? |
nothing Moloth
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: |
I respect your intelligence level, not so when you put your hands over your ears |
about what? |
nothing Moloth |
thats what i thought.
I really expected you to pick a better thing to claim was believed on "no evidence" than "your dad isn't your father". i mean, seriously.
you coulda picked something to do with emotions, or something that had NO physical evidence at all, or even an opinion i may hold... i still could've shown you that i do indeed base ALL of my conclusions on evidence, but you had to pick an extremely easy one to argue. weird.
SO... what is your positive evidence for god? i doubt very much that it is a fraction of what i have for my father.
Also... and this is actually kinda funny... i'm wearing a shirt that my dad gave me a few months ago. i need to do laundry, and i just threw it on this morning because it was clean. lol... oh, the irony...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| PJS wrote: | | Quote: | ="Moloth
Also... and this is actually kinda funny... i'm wearing a shirt that my dad gave me a few months ago. i need to do laundry, and i just threw it on this morning because it was clean. lol... oh, the irony... |
How do you know it was your Dad's shirt?
Maybe he borrowed it from a neighbor or shoplifted it?
Perhaps it was really your brother masquerading as your Dad? |
maybe it was forged from the fleece of the Golden Calf and handed down, Spartan to Spartan, all the way to ME, the final Spartan.
Perhaps it was spun by my fathers spider-like silk-glands and spun by the elves that live in his house.
DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT EXPLANATION? HUH? HUH?
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