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SmellingTheCoffee
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 Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: Would you want your beliefs disproven? |
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This is largely meant for theists because most atheists I spoke with have always said that if God could be proven, they would change their beliefs. However, everybody is free to respond.
So, what is your response:
If there were an observation, argument, discovery, whatever, that would undermine your beliefs about God, would you want to know it?
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No. I would want my beliefs changed only when evidence provides no options but to change. I'm not christian though, but I think this question can go to atheists as well.
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| If there is or was a god it is NOT the murderous monster invented / created by our primitive superstitious fearful ancesters, thank god. |
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hillbillyatheist
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| if I have a false belief I'd like to be informed of that. |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | if I have a false belief I'd like to be informed of that. |
agreed.
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | if I have a false belief I'd like to be informed of that. |
Agreed, but it better be damn well backup up with validated evidence. |
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im another person who wants to know the truth, however if any of the gods who have been dreamt up by humans turned out to be the truth i would never worship it,
but that never gonna happen so meh
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| ShadowWulf wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | if I have a false belief I'd like to be informed of that. |
Agreed, but it better be damn well backup up with validated evidence. |
thats a given.
but then if it turns out you have a belief based on no evidence, it might be YOU who needs to look for evidence.
don't think you're immune to the trap theists fall into where they ask you to give evidence for the nonexistence of god.
we're all humans and can fall for fallacies and such. |
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SmellingTheCoffee
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | ShadowWulf wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | if I have a false belief I'd like to be informed of that. |
Agreed, but it better be damn well backup up with validated evidence. |
thats a given.
but then if it turns out you have a belief based on no evidence, it might be YOU who needs to look for evidence.
don't think you're immune to the trap theists fall into where they ask you to give evidence for the nonexistence of god.
we're all humans and can fall for fallacies and such. |
Exactly so. We can all get dogmatic about our views of reality. Since it is easier to keep existing beliefs than change them, we generally prefer the beliefs we have to not be challenged in any strong way.
I asked this question, because I believe that there are arguments that can be made that would undermine a belief in a particular deity; especially the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God who is a person that has a direct interest and actively intervenes in human affairs. I think that Jews/Christians/Muslims also feel this way as well, hence the severity of their general reactions to challenges to their belief systems. Best way to end up dead when talking to a Muslim is to start the conversation with "Allah is false because..."
So I wanted to ask because I didn't want to step on any toes and break any rules. I have a few observations, arguments and opinions that help convince me in the non-reality of god. I won't repeat them or question any theists about them if they would prefer to not be asked.
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| SmellingTheCoffee wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | ShadowWulf wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | if I have a false belief I'd like to be informed of that. |
Agreed, but it better be damn well backup up with validated evidence. |
thats a given.
but then if it turns out you have a belief based on no evidence, it might be YOU who needs to look for evidence.
don't think you're immune to the trap theists fall into where they ask you to give evidence for the nonexistence of god.
we're all humans and can fall for fallacies and such. |
Exactly so. We can all get dogmatic about our views of reality. Since it is easier to keep existing beliefs than change them, we generally prefer the beliefs we have to not be challenged in any strong way.
I asked this question, because I believe that there are arguments that can be made that would undermine a belief in a particular deity; especially the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God who is a person that has a direct interest and actively intervenes in human affairs. I think that Jews/Christians/Muslims also feel this way as well, hence the severity of their general reactions to challenges to their belief systems. Best way to end up dead when talking to a Muslim is to start the conversation with "Allah is false because..."
So I wanted to ask because I didn't want to step on any toes and break any rules. I have a few observations, arguments and opinions that help convince me in the non-reality of god. I won't repeat them or question any theists about them if they would prefer to not be asked. |
If they would rather not be asked their in the wrong forum. I'm interested in truth. whatever is true that is what I want to believe. truth can withstand challenge so I have no problem engaging in the exercise of debate or discussion of any of my beliefs. All that said I do no not claim to respond to every argument against Christianity so don't hold this post over me and expect me to repent immediately if you back me into some corner. Case in point. When I first came around Mr._C asked me about Isaiah 19 and I still don't have it figured out but I'm still trying thats all I'll commit to
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Would you want your beliefs disproven? |
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| SmellingTheCoffee wrote: | This is largely meant for theists because most atheists I spoke with have always said that if God could be proven, they would change their beliefs. However, everybody is free to respond.
So, what is your response:
If there were an observation, argument, discovery, whatever, that would undermine your beliefs about God, would you want to know it? |
I don't speculate about that, for the same reason I don't speculate about what I'd do if I became a married bachelor tomorrow. Other than that I'll go with what HBA said.
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I'm very happy with people trying to disprove my beliefs and if (when) they get disproven the only unhappiness I feel is that I'm not done searching yet.
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| the evidence is this :what do you want more than anything? you want to be loved and you will give everything you have for love(true love)GOD knows this he created you . your answer (3:16) your reaction ? true belief = thankfulness . true love is the desire of your heart whether you can stand to admit it or not . GOD promises to fill that need if.....you trust him . Psalms 37:4,5 |
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| chrisandrew wrote: | | the evidence is this :what do you want more than anything? you want to be loved and you will give everything you have for love(true love)GOD knows this he created you . your answer (3:16) your reaction ? true belief = thankfulness . true love is the desire of your heart whether you can stand to admit it or not . GOD promises to fill that need if.....you trust him . Psalms 37:4,5 |
chrisandrew:
We have a rule against proselytizing here. Please follow it or you may be banned (Forum Rules 1:3).
Thanks.
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| chrisandrew wrote: | | the evidence is this :what do you want more than anything? you want to be loved and you will give everything you have for love(true love)GOD knows this he created you . your answer (3:16) your reaction ? true belief = thankfulness . true love is the desire of your heart whether you can stand to admit it or not . GOD promises to fill that need if.....you trust him . Psalms 37:4,5 |
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