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AvauntVanguard Intern


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| AvauntVanguard wrote: | | I doubt this is related though, ... |
My point is that you missed this particular note. Snow was more of an off-comment, not support. _________________ My "site". It has my blog and such. |
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Knight_of_BAAWA Jedi Slackmaster

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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I didn't miss it. I just wanted to know what your point was. Did you miss that? _________________ aa #51, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
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AvauntVanguard Intern


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Fine.
My point is it just feels warmer.
Simple.
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gnosis Forum Master


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Pekkle wrote: |
The slight increase in CO2 caused by man may indeed have a small effect on the environment but I think the severity of the situation has been blown out of proportion by politics and people manipulating people's fear. |
Total worldwide annual carbon dioxide emissions as of 8-26-2007:
27 billion tons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
http://www.mnp.nl/en/dossiers/Climatechange/moreinfo/Chinanowno1inCO2emissionsUSAinsecondposition.html
Warning people about a very real danger is not "manipulating their fear", it's attempting to inform them about the very real repercussions of their actions. I am not "afraid" of global warming, but I am convinced by this preponderance of evidence that it is real. There is nothing to be afraid of if we actually start doing something about it. The only fear I have is that willful denial of this evidence will encourage inaction and the problem will not be properly addressed.
Let's assume for a moment that humans are not responsible for global warming. Should we then continue to accelerate it by not changing our own behavior? Why make it worse when we know we can at least minimize our own impact? _________________ "Agnostics: Atheists without balls." -Stephen Colbert |
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Knight_of_BAAWA Jedi Slackmaster

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| AvauntVanguard wrote: | Fine.
My point is it just feels warmer.
Simple.
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ok. Good enough.
And for me--it feels cooler. 2007 was the coolest and wettest summer in long, long time. And the winter of 07/08 was, as I said, the snowiest since 1882, and one of the coldest (to me, anyway). _________________ aa #51, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
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romans120 Resident Theist

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| gnosis wrote: | | Pekkle wrote: |
The slight increase in CO2 caused by man may indeed have a small effect on the environment but I think the severity of the situation has been blown out of proportion by politics and people manipulating people's fear. |
Total worldwide annual carbon dioxide emissions as of 8-26-2007:
27 billion tons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
http://www.mnp.nl/en/dossiers/Climatechange/moreinfo/Chinanowno1inCO2emissionsUSAinsecondposition.html
Warning people about a very real danger is not "manipulating their fear", it's attempting to inform them about the very real repercussions of their actions. I am not "afraid" of global warming, but I am convinced by this preponderance of evidence that it is real. There is nothing to be afraid of if we actually start doing something about it. The only fear I have is that willful denial of this evidence will encourage inaction and the problem will not be properly addressed.
Let's assume for a moment that humans are not responsible for global warming. Should we then continue to accelerate it by not changing our own behavior? Why make it worse when we know we can at least minimize our own impact? |
Ok fine I'll answer my own question. The atmosphere is comprised of 0.0314% CO2 of that amount humans contribute 3% that means that the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere man is responsible for is .000942% (that puts that 27 billion tons in perspective doesn't it) the rest comes from natural sources. GW is being used a tool to advance an political agenda. I don't think putting a beneficial compound into the atmosphere is a bad thing. Ans I certainly don't think it worth causing poverty and starvation to get 0.000942% down to 0.000941. _________________ For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20
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gnosis Forum Master


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| romans120 wrote: |
Ok fine I'll answer my own question. The atmosphere is comprised of 0.0314% CO2 of that amount humans contribute 3% that means that the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere man is responsible for is .000942% (that puts that 27 billion tons in perspective doesn't it) the rest comes from natural sources. GW is being used a tool to advance an political agenda. I don't think putting a beneficial compound into the atmosphere is a bad thing. Ans I certainly don't think it worth causing poverty and starvation to get 0.000942% down to 0.000941. |
This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to start. I'll just refer you to those who have actually researched the topic so you can educate yourself. Ignorance is indeed bliss.
http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011 _________________ "Agnostics: Atheists without balls." -Stephen Colbert |
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romans120 Resident Theist

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| gnosis wrote: | | romans120 wrote: |
Ok fine I'll answer my own question. The atmosphere is comprised of 0.0314% CO2 of that amount humans contribute 3% that means that the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere man is responsible for is .000942% (that puts that 27 billion tons in perspective doesn't it) the rest comes from natural sources. GW is being used a tool to advance an political agenda. I don't think putting a beneficial compound into the atmosphere is a bad thing. Ans I certainly don't think it worth causing poverty and starvation to get 0.000942% down to 0.000941. |
This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to start. I'll just refer you to those who have actually researched the topic so you can educate yourself. Ignorance is indeed bliss.
http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011 |
If its got a web page its truth.
This is a forum. I can go to whatever website I want to get what information I want. If my point is wrong prove it wrong. Is the composition of the atmospher 0.0314 CO2? is the Human contribution to CO2 3% of its total composition? That is my only two assertions so if its wrong you can debunk it pretty easily. _________________ For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20
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gnosis Forum Master


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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If its got a web page its truth.
This is a forum. I can go to whatever website I want to get what information I want. If my point is wrong prove it wrong. Is the composition of the atmospher 0.0314 CO2? is the Human contribution to CO2 3% of its total composition? That is my only two assertions so if its wrong you can debunk it pretty easily. |
The point is not the percentages, but the effect of those percentages. _________________ "Agnostics: Atheists without balls." -Stephen Colbert |
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ManicParroT Royal Citizen


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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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What I find interesting about the global warming debate is the difference between debates on global warming, and those on other potential threats to life, liberty and mom's apple pie.
Establishment actors seem willing to spend billions and billions of dollars on dubious and unlikely military threats, yet environmental threats are treated with a deep skepticism, and a "wait and see" approach.
I'm pretty sure that a lot more's been spent on finding Iraqi WMDS (which were patently bullshit) than on doing something about climate change (which I think is quite possibly real, and should at a minimum be investigated more carefully as a matter of extreme urgency).
Beyond that, I'm more or less with Philosophos. I don't know what's going on at the higher levels of the debate. _________________ "We have heaps of potatoes but people are not potato eaters" - Robert Mugabe
"The marmots should not be eaten certain times of the year because they can carry Bubonic Plague."
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munky99999 Provisional moralist.

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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The prophet speaks again. A new proclamation.
Al Gore @ ted talks _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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one with nature Visitor

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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ok, ok dude.
so i hear bullshit like "im skeptical about global worming". well, does that give a good argument to support man made polution? THE FUCK IT DOESNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i dont give a fuck if global worming is real or a prank. all of you american pieces of shit who ride hummers and 4x4s and other ultra-capitalist atmospheric demolishers can suck my fucking balls and then my dick and anus.
im sick of this bullshit "oh, we dont have enough data". FUCK. WE NEED A FUCKING REVOLUTION!!!! i dont give a shit what your data gives you. this gives NO FUCKING JUSTIFICATION for what we are doing to the world.
you go arround florida and its filled with smoke. why? because the everglades are burning. the fucking everglades dude. where there is no water, there is fire. |
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one with nature Visitor

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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but seriously now. there will always be those skeptical fuckers who come arround taking every little hole in a scientific study and just because of a little meaningless mistake they will claim that the study is unscientific.
then they go "well, here its snowing". well, i dont give a fuck. its snowing there while in some other places its burning. global worming is an average measurement. it does not mean that it will be hot everywhere. north of germany, england, and the scandinavian peninsuly will be frozen completely. hopefully, this happens damn soon, because if it doesnt, the opposite will happen south and on the equator.
just because we are at the end of an ace age and the poles are bound to get small no matter what we do, gives NO FUCKING REASON to feed it.
we shouldnt polute the earth like this, global worming or no glabal worming. |
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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whats more, those animal right fucktards dont want windmils to be put us on the gulf of mexico because it will kill birds.
you know who darwin was? well, he came up with this theory that the fittest survive.
plus, science actually shows that animals adapt to conditions. in fact, these studes show that humans are actually animals! you dont need to look far to find that out buddy. humans adapt!!! wholy shit!!! other animals adapt too!!! they also have eyes to see the fucking windmills that are making one revolution an hour!!!
this is the problem with america. these animal right people come with this bullshit that we shouldnt use animals for experiments and the windmill bullshit. but they dont realize that humans are actually fucking animals. just look at porn magazines dude. they fuck just like dogs! |
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romans120 Resident Theist

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| gnosis wrote: | | romans120 wrote: |
If its got a web page its truth.
This is a forum. I can go to whatever website I want to get what information I want. If my point is wrong prove it wrong. Is the composition of the atmospher 0.0314 CO2? is the Human contribution to CO2 3% of its total composition? That is my only two assertions so if its wrong you can debunk it pretty easily. |
The point is not the percentages, but the effect of those percentages. |
can you or anybody prove what will happen if we reducing the worlds carbon emitions in half (making the poor poorer in the process) and reducing the composition of the atmosphere from .0314 to .030983?
The answer is to promote progress. If we developed nuclear power co2 emitions wouldn't be an issue. But we retarded progress for the sake of a political agenda rather then for the sake of the environment _________________ For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20
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