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| Felix wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | couldnt god do better than a white horse? |
seriously he should be on a white Liger that pisses fire with teeth of gold like flavor flav. |
The white horse was a symbol to the greco-roman culture of complete victory. For example when Julius Ceaser returned home from conquering north africa the roman senate gave him permission to ride in on a chariot pulled by a white horse.
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| kmisho wrote: | Pornogrpahy.
A naked blood-soaked jesus flying around on a horse with "king of kings" tatooed on his dick. |
The name written on the thigh also had meaning to the greco-roman culture. The statues of the their god's had the name of the god written on the thigh as well as a description of the god's exploits. the cooler the exploits the cooler the god. So Jesus's return in this fashion would make him the coolest
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| Moloth wrote: | | i guess i need top Wiki "triumphant entry" before i start giggling at it, huh? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Sunday here ya go thought you could use some help finding it
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| romans120 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | Pornogrpahy.
A naked blood-soaked jesus flying around on a horse with "king of kings" tatooed on his dick. |
The name written on the thigh also had meaning to the greco-roman culture. The statues of the their god's had the name of the god written on the thigh as well as a description of the god's exploits. the cooler the exploits the cooler the god. So Jesus's return in this fashion would make him the coolest |
Jesus will be coming back to the wrong audience. He's expecting shock a bunch of Romans.
Could be a double entendre. Thigh was used in the bible several times as a euphemism for genitals, which is what I was referring to.
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| romans120 wrote: | | Felix wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | couldnt god do better than a white horse? |
seriously he should be on a white Liger that pisses fire with teeth of gold like flavor flav. |
The white horse was a symbol to the greco-roman culture of complete victory. For example when Julius Ceaser returned home from conquering north africa the roman senate gave him permission to ride in on a chariot pulled by a white horse. |
| romans120 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | Pornogrpahy.
A naked blood-soaked jesus flying around on a horse with "king of kings" tatooed on his dick. |
The name written on the thigh also had meaning to the greco-roman culture. The statues of the their god's had the name of the god written on the thigh as well as a description of the god's exploits. the cooler the exploits the cooler the god. So Jesus's return in this fashion would make him the coolest |
Do I need to remind you that the Roman Empire has been extinguished 1500 years ago, and what was cool then is antideluvian now? |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | romans120 wrote: | | Felix wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | couldnt god do better than a white horse? |
seriously he should be on a white Liger that pisses fire with teeth of gold like flavor flav. |
The white horse was a symbol to the greco-roman culture of complete victory. For example when Julius Ceaser returned home from conquering north africa the roman senate gave him permission to ride in on a chariot pulled by a white horse. |
| romans120 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | Pornogrpahy.
A naked blood-soaked jesus flying around on a horse with "king of kings" tatooed on his dick. |
The name written on the thigh also had meaning to the greco-roman culture. The statues of the their god's had the name of the god written on the thigh as well as a description of the god's exploits. the cooler the exploits the cooler the god. So Jesus's return in this fashion would make him the coolest |
Do I need to remind you that the Roman Empire has been extinguished 1500 years ago, and what was cool then is antideluvian now? |
Lol I can see it now! God rollin in on Dubs and a white Rolls Royce Phantom.
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| kmisho wrote: | | romans120 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | Pornogrpahy.
A naked blood-soaked jesus flying around on a horse with "king of kings" tatooed on his dick. |
The name written on the thigh also had meaning to the greco-roman culture. The statues of the their god's had the name of the god written on the thigh as well as a description of the god's exploits. the cooler the exploits the cooler the god. So Jesus's return in this fashion would make him the coolest |
Jesus will be coming back to the wrong audience. He's expecting shock a bunch of Romans.
Could be a double entendre. Thigh was used in the bible several times as a euphemism for genitals, which is what I was referring to. |
I realize that the culture will not be the same when He returns but that does not mean that John must describe what his vision using only idioms and relevant terminology of the future culture. He will write in such a way that the contemporary culture of John understands what he is describing. John uses very pictorial language and I do not think there is anything stamped on Christ's thigh, it is a device John is using to communicate that it will be obvious who Christ is when He comes.
You are partially correct as to the use of thigh being a euphemism for the genitals. | Quote: | | 2 And Abraham said to his servant, the oldest of his household, who had charge of all that he had, "Put your hand under my thigh, 3 that I may make you swear by the LORD, the God of heaven and God of the earth, that you will not take a wife for my son from the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell, 4 but will go to my country and to my kindred, and take a wife for my son Isaac." 5 The servant said to him, "Perhaps the woman may not be willing to follow me to this land. Must I then take your son back to the land from which you came?" 6 Abraham said to him, "See to it that you do not take my son back there. 7 The LORD, the God of heaven, who took me from my father's house and from the land of my kindred, and who spoke to me and swore to me, 'To your offspring I will give this land,' he will send his angel before you, and you shall take a wife for my son from there. 8 But if the woman is not willing to follow you, then you will be free from this oath of mine; only you must not take my son back there." 9 So the servant put his hand under the thigh of Abraham his master and swore to him concerning this matter. |
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| Quote: | | 29 And when the time drew near that Israel must die, he called his son Joseph and said to him, "If now I have found favor in your sight, put your hand under my thigh and promise to deal kindly and truly with me. Do not bury me in Egypt, 30 but let me lie with my fathers. Carry me out of Egypt and bury me in their burying place. |
These are the only two passages where that euphemism occurs. It is part of a Hebrew idiom (seen highlighted in bold) The custom was the one making the promise would put his hand under the thigh of the one he was making the promise too and grab that persons testicles. The meaning of it is "may my own testicles be crushed if I fail to keep my promise"
Go ahead now have your laugh
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| romans120 wrote: | These are the only two passages where that euphemism occurs. It is part of a Hebrew idiom (seen highlighted in bold) The custom was the one making the promise would put his hand under the thigh of the one he was making the promise too and grab that persons testicles. The meaning of it is "may my own testicles be crushed if I fail to keep my promise"
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Romans,
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Numbers 5:11-21
(you know, the part of the bible condoning abortion in the case of adultery)
20But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
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The thing that really gets me is that no one who teaches "The Revelation of St. John the Divine," (the real name of the book) seems to understand what type of literature it is.
Tell me Romans 1:20, what is this book? Because it's not prophecy. You interpret it in ways that are obvious to you but would have been nonsense to your brethren 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago even more so. All of the preceding would have thought you a heretic, because the interpretation of this book is so wildly divergent as to make it completely useless and incomprehensible. Of course it makes for good songs, such as Johnny Cash's "When the man comes around."
This book is not prophecy. What is it? Can anyone tell me the type of literature that "The Revelation of St. John the Divine" is?
Roman boy? Beuller?
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| kmisho wrote: | Romans,
More than 2
King James
Numbers 5:11-21
(you know, the part of the bible condoning abortion in the case of adultery)
20But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; |
I was unaware of that one. Though I imagine it is still idiomatic and probably has a specific meaning
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| Chris Johnston wrote: | The thing that really gets me is that no one who teaches "The Revelation of St. John the Divine," (the real name of the book) seems to understand what type of literature it is.
Tell me Romans 1:20, what is this book? Because it's not prophecy. You interpret it in ways that are obvious to you but would have been nonsense to your brethren 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago even more so. All of the preceding would have thought you a heretic, because the interpretation of this book is so wildly divergent as to make it completely useless and incomprehensible. Of course it makes for good songs, such as Johnny Cash's "When the man comes around."
This book is not prophecy. What is it? Can anyone tell me the type of literature that "The Revelation of St. John the Divine" is?
Roman boy? Beuller? |
It is a warning of things to come (AKA prophesy). Now the purpose of the book is not primarily prophesy though it is a large part. It is primarily a record of how the Messiah will fulfill all the promises made to Israel. What kind of literature do you think it is and why?
I'm not sure my way of interpreting would have been nonesense 100 - 1000 years ago. All I do is try interpret as literally and as closely to what the readers of the day would have understood. Throughout the years that has never been the most popular approach but It certainly was never non-existent. You have to remember during early church history they fought over different things. They all agreed that the return of Christ was immanent so they chose to fight over christology and pneumatology and the trinity and tabled eschatology
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| romans120 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | Romans,
More than 2
King James
Numbers 5:11-21
(you know, the part of the bible condoning abortion in the case of adultery)
20But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; |
I was unaware of that one. Though I imagine it is still idiomatic and probably has a specific meaning |
The original term used probably did not mean "thigh" literally. But the euphemism for female reproductive organs is clear.
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| kmisho wrote: | | romans120 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | Romans,
More than 2
King James
Numbers 5:11-21
(you know, the part of the bible condoning abortion in the case of adultery)
20But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; |
I was unaware of that one. Though I imagine it is still idiomatic and probably has a specific meaning |
The original term used probably did not mean "thigh" literally. But the euphemism for female reproductive organs is clear. |
Here is the entry for the word for thigh in "HLOT" the standard Hebrew lexicon
| Quote: | 1. the fleshy portion of the upper thigh: posterior Exo.28:42, seat of limping Gen.32:32 seat of procreation Gen.46:26 area of sexual organs (hand placed there in oaths)Gen.24:2 •9 hip-socket Gen.32:26') 2. metaph. side: a) of altar 2Ki.16:14') b) foot of lampstand
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So that meaning is secondary in the semantic range. The epitomolgy is more likely that the euphamism was added to the semantic range later. also even though the word is feminines it is not limited to only female organs
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So Romans, this is the same word that was used when Jacob got in a wrestling match with God? (Gen.32:25 or 26 depending on which version)
Good stuff, lol.
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32:32 That is why to this day the Israelites do not eat the sinew which is attached to the socket of the hip, because he struck the socket of Jacob’s hip near the attached sinew.
Ha! Great fairytale to put meaning to your dogma. Tell another, Grandpa! I'll put another log on the fire. Want a smore?
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