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Gettin' In Tune
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Godless Red Scum wrote: | | By their very definitions, a democracy cannot be a dictatorship. |
By definition, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority mob. |
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”--Jefferson.
Democracy, at its heart, is a terrible form of government. A majority's consent does not make it right. If any council gets elected to control a natural resource, then that council has has more incentive to stay in council rather than turning a profit. Council members are giving more of an incentive give out handouts and perpetuate crony capitalism, then promote free markets and trade. |
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cheapsuprise
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: |
Homework for cheapsurprise:
In a logical construction: |
Make you look like an even bigger idiot that your capable of on your own.
You asked for it Joe. Your officially served.
http://www.atheistforums.com/post145068.html#145068
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josephpalazzo
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| cheapsuprise wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: |
Homework for cheapsurprise:
In a logical construction:
1. a)Give an illustration of what constitute a true statement.
b) Give an illustration of what constitute a valid statement.
2. a)Show that a true statement can be an invalid conclusion.
b) Show that a false statement can be a valid conclusion.
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Make you look like an even bigger idiot that your capable of on your own.
You asked for it Joe. Your officially served.
http://www.atheistforums.com/post145068.html#145068 |
What I asked you was not rocket science, just a case for you to show your knowledge of the subject by illustrating the difference between true/false and valid/invalid, yet you weren't unable to answer a simple assignment. Instead you've chosen to abuse your position as a mod, and that makes you not only a fucking moron, but a bully and a hypocrite.
As I said previously, who would want to debate with you, with only a kindergarten knowledge of the subject matter?!? Go waste somebody else's time. You're on IGNORE from now on.
And you can take that apology and stick it up your fucking ass...
LOL.
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cheapsuprise
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: |
What I asked you was not rocket science, just a case for you to show your knowledge of the subject by illustrating the difference between true/false and valid/invalid, yet you weren't unable to answer a simple assignment. |
"weren't unable" ??? IOW, I was not unable?
Strictly speaking that's true. I was able, I just didn't bother to. Why should I? Before that, I asked you to provide an authoritative source on the definition of "false analogy" after you bitched about wiki. You didn't do it, so kiss my ass you lazy cock-smoker. Lazy cock-smokers like you usually ignore challenges, and then have bitch-attacks when one of your own conditions aren't met.
| Quote: | | Instead you've chosen to abuse your position as a mod, |
PM another moderator with your complaint then. Otherwise stop bitching. What is it that drives you to say things that are overtly untrue? IE: "analogies can't be false."
I'm thinking it's BUTT-HURT. There seams to be an epidemic around here.
| Quote: | and that makes you not only a fucking moron, but a bully and a hypocrite.
As I said previously, who would want to debate with you, with only a kindergarten knowledge of the subject matter?!? Go waste somebody else's time. You're on IGNORE from now on. |
SO? Does it really mater if YOU read this? Your just raw material for me joe. Like MEAT in a stir-fry. Besides, it won't make any difference. I'm immune the the ignore function. All mods are... Moron.
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Simple assignment that cheapsurprise didn't "bother" to do.
In a logical construction:
1. a)Give an illustration of what constitute a true statement.
Ans: Humans are mortal.
Unless one can show one human who is immortal, that statement is true.
b) Give an illustration of what constitute a valid statement.
See below, statement iii) in the answer for 2b).
2. a)Show that a true statement can be an invalid conclusion.
Ans:
i) George W. Bush is a human.
ii) Some humans are politicians.
iii) Therefore George W. Bush is a politician.
Although iii) is a true statement, it is an incvalid conclusion wrt to i) and ii).
b) Show that a false statement can be a valid conclusion.
ans:
i) All mermaids love a rainy day.
ii) Today is a rainy day.
iii) Therefore, all mermaids love today.
Although iii) is a valid conclusion wrt i) and ii), it's still a false statement. Unless one can show that one mermaid exists, any statement about mermaid is false.
Any high school kid could have given those answers, but cheapsurprise couldn't bother with this simple assignment. Or was it that he didn't know the difference between True/false and Valid/Invalid?
Yep, if you believe cheapsurprise, I have a bridge to sell you, wanna buy...
Go ahead, cheapsurprise, become the master of cut-and-paste, that's about all you can do...
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cheapsuprise
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | Simple assignment that cheapsurprise didn't "bother" to do. |
Why would I? I would be removing a great tool. The more often you make a display because I didn't do your "homework", The more often I get to remind you that way before that, you didn't provide an authoritative source on the definition of a false analogy like I asked you to.
This is great because your fucked either way. If you DID provide a source, it would contain a definition of a "FALSE ANALOGY", which would be an awkward thing to do for anyone who claimed that analogies can't be false.
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Go ahead, cheapsurprise, become the master of cut-and-paste, that's about all you can do...
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Can you prove that I cut and paste? I bet you can't.
Now have another spazz attack. Don't at all worry about looking like an idiot.
OH, BTW JOE, it's a good idea to NOT FUCK UP when your trying to *school* some one on logic. Observe:
| Quote: | | Although iii) is a valid conclusion wrt i) and ii), it's still a false statement. Unless one can show that one mermaid exists, any statement about mermaid is false. |
"There is very little evidence for the existence of mermaids" is a true statement about mermaids.
Moron.
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dispensed with."-- Niccolò Machiavelli |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Perhaps you're just not as educated as you thought you were. |
| Godless Red Scum wrote: | | Is it difficult being a total cunt 24/7? |
So you can dish it out but you can't take it?
Fucking little shitstain. Get the fuck off the internet. You got spanked by the very definition you linked to, and now you want to take it out on me for pointing out that you didn't fucking READ the fucking definition. Fuck. You. Asshole. |
Now that's what I was looking for! It's like poking a rabid pitbull with a sharp stick.
It's okay, you don't have to answer the question. We all love you even if you are a total pussy. |
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ah.. another person figures out the KnoB-paradox...
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FlatEarth1024
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Godless Red Scum wrote: |
Now that's what I was looking for! It's like poking a rabid pitbull with a sharp stick.
It's okay, you don't have to answer the question. We all love you even if you are a total pussy. |
| Moloth wrote: | | ah.. another person figures out the KnoB-paradox... Laughing |
There are several acts one can perpetrate here to gain an expected response. Poking certain people with sticks and watching the resulting tantrum is one. Another is casually tossing a hand grenade into certain threads (think RPfP) at 8 am and then returning at 3 pm to see another 7-8 pages of "Fuck You!"..."No! Fuck YOOOOUUUU!!!" generated in the aftermath.
It really does get the point where if you make the right statement and time it properly you can almost predict what the response will be, who will respond, and which direction the inevitable ensuing flame war will veer into.
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its a ton of fun.. i mean, i've known some of these people for 5 years. not to mention, that some people have HUGE, obvious and shiny, candy-like buttons...
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Now that was easy...
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| cheapsuprise wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | Simple assignment that cheapsurprise didn't "bother" to do. |
Why would I? |
Given your motivation to prove me wrong, all you needed to do was to come up with the right answers on that assignment, and I would have had no other alternative but to recognize that you had some "expertise" in logic. You didn't do the assignment because you were too fucking scared shit to be embarassed -- that deep down inside, you just couldn't do what any high school kid would have breezed through. You are a fucking amateur parading as an expert in Logic -- you are an intellectual fraud.
You had your chance, fucking moron. Now go lick your ass, that's where you'll find your fucking apology...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Godless Red Scum wrote: | | By their very definitions, a democracy cannot be a dictatorship. |
By definition, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority mob. |
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”--Jefferson.
Democracy, at its heart, is a terrible form of government. A majority's consent does not make it right. If any council gets elected to control a natural resource, then that council has has more incentive to stay in council rather than turning a profit. Council members are giving more of an incentive give out handouts and perpetuate crony capitalism, then promote free markets and trade. |
Yes. The theory of deomcracy is flawed exactly as you say. I don't recall who said "democracy is 2 lions and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner."
But it can work perfectly well depending on the quality of the participants. There is no risk of people voting for 1+1 to =3 if the members of democracy are not idiots.
One of my cause celebres for many years has been anti-ideology. Your critique of democracy, and you are not alone in it is idealistic and even denctructionist in the worst sense. The tiniest flaw in the pure theory becomes sufficient reason to reject it outright.If you look at something like democracy through this strict lens, you miss just how good an idea it is 1) relative to many others and 2) assuming the participants are not idiots.
With things like economic and political systems, we should not be concerned with whether they will make a computer overflow but with how they will work for people, flaws and fuzzy logic included.
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Moloth
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Democracy, like science, is not a perfect institution... it is merely better than all of the other ones we've thus seen.
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It's too bad this thread has been wandering from the subject so much, I think it's been derailed somewhat by all the flaming, which makes it more difficult to stay on track. I freely admit that I have also fallen prey to this, and will try to do my part to get back onto the topic. There are a lot of very interesting concepts that are being debated here about capitalism, socialism, and libertarianism.
If capitalism is the opposite of socialism, how would libertarianism ALSO be the opposite of socialism? Is this an implication that capitalism and libertarianism are the synonymous? I think this would be a incorrect or we would not need separate terms for these ideas. If this is indeed the case, and libertarianism is not synonymous with capitalism, what would be the opposite of libertarianism? Authoritarianism? Populism?
Perhaps part of the problem is the correlation between "Liberty" and "Anarchy", where "Anarchy" could be defined as "opposition to authority". I imagine most Libertarians would shy away from being associated with "Anarchism" due to the term being associated with social chaos.
Would it be OK with the mods if I start a new thread titled "Libertarianism", where we can discuss the concept of libertarianism itself? Perhaps we can all agree to at least attempt to stay on topic and limit the personal insults there in the spirit of intellectual discourse. |
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