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BarkAtTheMoon
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Can sex outside boundaries be harmful to individuals? |
Mr._C
| Quote: | | Of course. Does that mean that you should set these boundaries for other people? |
Bare with me a minute I want to state my position before I answer the question, because it will help keep my answer clear. (my position is not very popular within my circles so don't tell anybody shhh)
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Well, let me ask a something a bit more specific. Should anything consenting adults might choose to do to themselves or each other in the privacy of their own home that they might enjoy and makes them happy that should be considered harmful or illegal?
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I do not recognize gay marriage because I recognize marriage between a male and a female as a symbol, given by God, of the relationship between Christ and the Church. I do not believe that government has any say over who can and can not be married. Nor do I believe the government has any say over what churches teach or that they have to recognize or preform said marriages. I don't think the government should be giving incentives to anybody.
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So by that logic, you don't recognize any marriage between anyone who's not a hetero, Christian couple then? Married Jews, Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, Taoists, *insert favorit -ists*, their relationship can't be considered valid by you because they don't believe in Jesus.
| Moloth wrote: | | and people why we think theists/christians are stupid, hateful, ignorant, arrogant, delusional and harmful people. |
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Now for you question it depends upon what you mean by "set these boundaries." I do think criminal or publicly indecent boundaries should be enforced. But I see no problem in individuals articulating and arguing about what the boundaries are. If I believe something to be harmful I will teach my children that that thing is harmful. I am not a bad person for doing that. I am a bad person for allowing my child to do something harmful without telling them that it is harmful.
If sex outside of certain unspecified boundaries is harmful how do we determine what those boundaries are? |
There's nothing wrong with telling your child something is harmful if you believe that, although I'd hope that you wouldn't treat your child like shit (like the OP article) if that's how they turned out, but ask yourself something:
Why exactly do you consider it harmful? Who does it harm? Why does it bother you specifically or should be any of your business what someone else does in their own home?
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Moral judgments are often quite like aesthetic judgments. We feel something is wrong and we then come up with our explanation. Much as we look at a painting, decide we like it and then articulate reasons to justify our first impression. The problem with many religions, in this regard, is they provide ready made justifications for reinforcing first impressions of acts that have no victim. One need not buy the religious justification for such moral positions to oppose acts such as homosexual activity, but the pre-packaged case makes it easier to justify initially held sentiments.
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Nimitz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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This mother really does live in denial. She thinks her son is "just" gay and not "actively gay".  She can't accept the fact that he is having sex with other men. |
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romans120
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="BarkAtTheMoon"] | Quote: |
Well, let me ask a something a bit more specific. Should anything consenting adults might choose to do to themselves or each other in the privacy of their own home that they might enjoy and makes them happy that should be considered harmful or illegal? |
Romans
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I do not recognize gay marriage because I recognize marriage between a male and a female as a symbol, given by God, of the relationship between Christ and the Church. I do not believe that government has any say over who can and can not be married. Nor do I believe the government has any say over what churches teach or that they have to recognize or preform said marriages. I don't think the government should be giving incentives to anybody.
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BATM
| Quote: | | So by that logic, you don't recognize any marriage between anyone who's not a hetero, Christian couple then? Married Jews, Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, Taoists, *insert favorit -ists*, their relationship can't be considered valid by you because they don't believe in Jesus. |
Nope doesn't matter. It can still be symbol even if the participators are unaware it's a symbol.
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If sex outside of certain unspecified boundaries is harmful how do we determine what those boundaries are? |
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There's nothing wrong with telling your child something is harmful if you believe that, although I'd hope that you wouldn't treat your child like shit (like the OP article) if that's how they turned out, but ask yourself something: |
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Why exactly do you consider it harmful? |
For the same reasons sex outside of other boundaries is harmful
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Why does it bother you specifically or should be any of your business what someone else does in their own home? |
It doesn't really bother me. I feel badly that people are harming themselves. I wouldn't do anything to force them to stop. I'm not talking about individual rights that is none of my business. I'm just talking about what is beneficial and what harmful behavior. It is sin but I sin everyday so what. the consequences for my sinful practice and practicing homosexuality are the same.
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A_Atheist_named_Christian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Women |
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| Noggin wrote: | | A_Atheist_named_Christian wrote: | | caseagainstfaith wrote: | | A_Atheist_named_Christian wrote: | Read the whole story.
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There's a "post a comment" link at the bottom, but it doesn't work. At least it doesn't for me. I assume this is intentional. |
Indeed I think it is.
The first thing I clicked after I finished reading the article was the "post a comment" link,
And it didn't work for me either. |
I'm still trying to understand how you dug up an article 10+ years old? That long after the fact, yeah, the comments bit prolly won't work.
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Well I was surfing the forum and from the corner of my eye a google ad said "When Homosexuality Hits Home".
I thought to myself "Well this is going to be hilarious".
So I clicked it and the rest was history. |
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